NL50 JJ turn brings A

[xeanatic]

Villian is a real station, what's my turn play here?

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $49.50
BB: $47.15
UTG: $56.00
MP: $63.10
CO: $54.35
Hero (BTN): $57.55

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $2.00</font>, CO folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $7.00</font>, 2 folds, MP calls $5.00

Flop: ($14.75) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $11.00</font>, MP calls $11.00

Turn: ($36.75) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP checks, Hero?

[rjacobs003]

I probably fire about $25 on the turn again. If he calls/raises I'm not putting in anymore money. Hopefully he calls and checks to me on the river for free showdown. Any other reads on this guy?

[fl1p]

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I probably fire about $25 on the turn again. If he calls/raises I'm not putting in anymore money. Hopefully he calls and checks to me on the river for free showdown. Any other reads on this guy?

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[xeanatic]

firing $25 makes us commited to call a push because we have like $7 left..

[rjacobs003]

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firing $25 makes us commited to call a push because we have like $7 left..

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Woops missed this. Sry man. Push it is then....

[xeanatic]

isn't this bad? because what hands do call us that we are ahead of here? I think a push here will be called by better hands and worse hands fold.

And don't you think the A is a pretty big part of villians range here? Since the 3bet PF and the fact that he is a station and prob calls the flop with overs?

[Boredom]

Can somebody explain why betting here is better than checking behind? Surely we don't get called by worse if we push, but is getting KK, QQ or the other JJ to fold part of the equation that makes betting here a good deal? Are we afraid of getting bluffed out on river if we check behind? If we are afraid of getting bluffed out, do we think that he will ever turn 77, 99 or TT into bluffs? Or is it just spades without an A or some kind of straight draw (if those are even in his pf r range that is) Somebody explain this to me.

[tarheeljks]

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Can somebody explain why betting here is better than checking behind? Surely we don't get called by worse if we push, but is getting KK, QQ or the other JJ to fold part of the equation that makes betting here a good deal? Are we afraid of getting bluffed out on river if we check behind? If we are afraid of getting bluffed out, do we think that he will ever turn 77, 99 or TT into bluffs? Or is it just spades without an A or some kind of straight draw (if those are even in his pf r range that is) Somebody explain this to me.

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in general the idea is that if villain is truly a station his range includes much more than Ax, QQ+. we can expect to see fd's, sd's. we're betting b/c he's a station and will call; however since this is a 3bet pot, checking behind and then value betting a blank river is a good plan.

if villain is calling 3bets light, then it's safe to bet again.

[Upgrade_U]

I bet 27.5 and fold to a raise - repping an ace there will easily put every thinking players hand into doom unless he has Ax spades or a set.
Actually check behind and call a OK sized bet on the riv

thoughts ?

[resboard]

If you bet $27.5 and fold i think thats terrible. You would have put in $45.5 and your going to fold for $13 more? The pot would be like ~8.5:1. If your going to fold to a raise, don't bet it.