God i wish i didn't suck at poker so bad

[Bond18]

Tilt Fuper. I have absolutely no idea what to do on this turn, and after we discuss that i'll advance it to the river.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $100/$200
8 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $19553
UTG+1: $3570
MP1: $4285
MP2: $4525
CO: $15335
Hero: $5225
SB: $4600
BB: $11350

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is Button with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
5 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $550</font>, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($1200, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $800</font>, BB calls.

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($2800, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero??

[JSchnett]

I check makes it easier to get value out of worse hands on the river.

[Todd Terry]

Check, hard to see a call with a worse hand here, and can't call a C/R.

[mikeJ]

Seems like betting is terrible. The only purpose would be to protect against a gutshot or a club draw. But, you rarely get value from a worse hand, and if you get action, ur screwed.

[Exitonly]

what about a real tiny bet and calling a shove? i think its interesting and could induce some stupidity.

if we check behind, i think i'd assume that villain will bluff a blank river often enough that we have to call. Given that we're going to be paying a ~pot sized bet off to a straight no matter what, so if we get our stack in on the turn vs one, w/ our outs to fill up its basically the same.

the responses so far have been about getting value out of the worse hands, but do you really think two pair is gonna fold to a smlal bet on the turn? we're not gonna be getting value out of 1 pair hands no matter what, i dont think.

my default though, and first thought when i read the hand, was to check behind and call/raise river, but i dont think the bet is so horrible (i dont expect to be behind that often, 45 i guess, and maybe A9cc, but what else? the 1 combo of 89?)

[FGators]

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what about a real tiny bet and calling a shove? i think its interesting and could induce some stupidity.

if we check behind, i think i'd assume that villain will bluff a blank river often enough that we have to call. Given that we're going to be paying a ~pot sized bet off to a straight no matter what, so if we get our stack in on the turn vs one, w/ our outs to fill up its basically the same.

the responses so far have been about getting value out of the worse hands, but do you really think two pair is gonna fold to a smlal bet on the turn? we're not gonna be getting value out of 1 pair hands no matter what, i dont think.

my default though, and first thought when i read the hand, was to check behind and call/raise river, but i dont think the bet is so horrible (i dont expect to be behind that often, 45 i guess, and maybe A9cc, but what else? the 1 combo of 89?)

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I really don't think that people with a single pair or two pair turn their hands into bluffs enough to make this whole play profitable.

[FGators]

I think the notion that betting the turn small to induce a bluff is way overblown. Without much history on a 4 card straight board a person when facing a tiny bet will immediately put an unknown on the straight here (if they don't have it themselves) and read the small bet as a "please call me bet."

In this spot we don't get shoved on by worse nearly enough and for the times we do I think we have to tip our hat because it's a pretty kamikaze.

Personally I like checking the turn for pot control and snapping off rivers (that are preferably not clubs).

Here I fold because it looks like we can't beat a hand from his action.

[flyingmoose]

I would check this every time. What merit do you see in betting that makes this a tough decision?

[Bond18]

Seems like we're in agreement.

Turn:
BB checks, hero checks.

River: 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (Pot 2800)
BB thinks 3-4 seconds, then bets 2800, hero?

[mikeJ]

Fold river. You're risking 2800 to win 1400. I don't think you're chopping over 2/3rd of the time.