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09-08-2007, 05:21 PM
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Theory in high stakes heads up?
Hi,
I have recently started to play higher limit heads up to what i am used to, mostly 10/20 NLH, and I am amazed and how the typical player plays at these limits. I really enjoy playing these levels (even if it is above my bankroll)but I cant understand some of the plays I am seeing. In short players seem to push on any draw at all, no matter how much is in the pot or what they put you on. I have alreay won and lost 6 or 7 all ins against draws on the flop even though the price doesnt seem to be right (most are calling my bets, not even pushing themselves) Now I am not one to criticise players who have played at higher levels than me for a while, but what am I missing? I understand that the cards become less irrelevant at the levels, but surely basic maths and theory applies? Are these just bad players I have played or are typical 10/20 players just manic gamblers? I havent played nearly enough hands to get firm stats but these are just first impressions i am getting any thoughts? 
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#2
09-08-2007, 05:59 PM
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Re: Theory in high stakes heads up?
Heads up is like a game of game theory . You try to figure your opponents out before he figures you out . In fact , in the high stakes heads up matches you don't even really need to look at your cards which is a bit of an exaggeration on my part but you get the idea . There is more emphasis on trying to get a read on your opponents betting tendencies than anything else .
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#3
09-10-2007, 07:54 PM
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Re: Theory in high stakes heads up?
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Heads up is like a game of game theory . You try to figure your opponents out before he figures you out . In fact , in the high stakes heads up matches you don't even really need to look at your cards which is a bit of an exaggeration on my part but you get the idea . There is more emphasis on trying to get a read on your opponents betting tendencies than anything else . [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, this is 100% wrong.
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#5
09-10-2007, 09:03 PM
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Re: Theory in high stakes heads up?
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] Heads up is like a game of game theory . You try to figure your opponents out before he figures you out . In fact , in the high stakes heads up matches you don't even really need to look at your cards which is a bit of an exaggeration on my part but you get the idea . There is more emphasis on trying to get a read on your opponents betting tendencies than anything else . [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, this is 100% wrong. [/ QUOTE ] LOL
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#6
09-11-2007, 08:19 AM
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Re: Theory in high stakes heads up?
Be careful here, heads up play, especially high stakes hands cannot be analysed in a vacuum. Yes some opponents may be overly aggressive, but there will also be those who are setting up an image and betting pattern thats -EV so you will try to exploit it. They will then in turn exploit your new tendencies (usually in a much beigger pot [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] )
This gives a +EV sequence of hands for your opponents. Also bear in mind that others will be <u>attempting</u> to do just this, but getting it horribly wrong. Maybe these are the players you have come across?
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#7
09-11-2007, 08:15 AM
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Re: Theory in high stakes heads up?
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[ QUOTE ] Heads up is like a game of game theory . You try to figure your opponents out before he figures you out . In fact , in the high stakes heads up matches you don't even really need to look at your cards which is a bit of an exaggeration on my part but you get the idea . There is more emphasis on trying to get a read on your opponents betting tendencies than anything else . [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, this is 100% wrong. [/ QUOTE ] Thanks for such useful insight. I thought the comment was on. Maybe it isn't a comprehensive view, but heads up it certainly a battle of trying to figure out ranges and tendencies, no question about it. OP, I assume that other players are perceiving you as too tight, if one after another is doing this. Thus fronm their perspective the Fold Equity together with the outs gives them proper odds to push. Heads up, you simply have to be willing to stand your ground with less than the nuts. Far less than the nuts if opponents routinely do this.
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#8
09-11-2007, 08:49 AM
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Re: Theory in high stakes heads up?
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Thanks for such useful insight. I thought the comment was on. Maybe it isn't a comprehensive view, but heads up it certainly a battle of trying to figure out ranges and tendencies, no question about it. [/ QUOTE ] And how exactly do you do that without looking at your cards...
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#9
09-11-2007, 08:50 AM
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Re: Theory in high stakes heads up?
Besides, there exists an optimal solution to HU nl that doesn't take the opponent into consideration at all. This optimal solution would/will most likely beat the best HU players of today for a significant margin.
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#10
09-11-2007, 11:11 AM
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Re: Theory in high stakes heads up?
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] Thanks for such useful insight. I thought the comment was on. Maybe it isn't a comprehensive view, but heads up it certainly a battle of trying to figure out ranges and tendencies, no question about it. [/ QUOTE ] And how exactly do you do that without looking at your cards... [/ QUOTE ] I'm concerned about my opponents range. I know mine, bumpkin. And I will adjust mine accordingly after I have some information about his.
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