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Old 09-07-2007, 02:31 AM
Tooty816 Tooty816 is offline
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Default AK 4bet shove to isolate preflop with 2 to act behind me. You like?

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $24.00
BB: $336.35
Hero (UTG): $300.75
MP: $203.70
CO: $256.00
BTN: $238.40

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $8.00</font>, MP calls $8.00, CO calls $8.00, BTN folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $23.00</font>, BB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $300.75</font>, Two players behind to act with full stacks.

Do you guys think this is a +ev play? The two guys behind me show these stats: 20/13/1.6 and 26/15/1.5

The short stack who raised is a huge donk and was just donating money to the table. I wanted to isolate him but I didn't want to just call and play a big pot oop. I think if the guys behind me had KK or AA they would have raised. They were playing tag the whole time.
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Old 09-07-2007, 02:49 AM
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Default Re: AK 4bet shove to isolate preflop with 2 to act behind me. You like?

Standard, the 2 guys behind you with full stacks would have 3 bet you with 1010+ AK-AQ,
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Old 09-07-2007, 02:59 AM
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Default Re: AK 4bet shove to isolate preflop with 2 to act behind me. You like?

I'm worried that the math might not work out in my favor..

There's always a chance that one of the two guys behind me called with AA KK and would have called my shove. So sometimes I'm a huge underdog and will likely lose my stack, and the rest of the time I'm winning only a small pot.
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Old 09-07-2007, 03:23 AM
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Default Re: AK 4bet shove to isolate preflop with 2 to act behind me. You like?

its not THAT small of a pot. by the time you shove, you're picking up almost $50.

looks good to me.
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Old 09-07-2007, 04:43 AM
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Default Re: AK 4bet shove to isolate preflop with 2 to act behind me. You like

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I'm worried that the math might not work out in my favor..

There's always a chance that one of the two guys behind me called with AA KK and would have called my shove. So sometimes I'm a huge underdog and will likely lose my stack, and the rest of the time I'm winning only a small pot.

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It all depends how many times u gonna win the pot against sb range.
I would prefer a $65 reraise.
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Old 09-07-2007, 08:15 AM
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Default Re: AK 4bet shove to isolate preflop with 2 to act behind me. You like

I like. Standard. Etc.
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Old 09-07-2007, 09:48 AM
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Default Re: AK 4bet shove to isolate preflop with 2 to act behind me. You like

You might as well turn your hand face up though. But then with the dead $50 you're getting the odds if a smaller pair is gonna call you anyway so you're safe if there's no AA/KK.
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Old 09-08-2007, 11:43 PM
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Default Re: AK 4bet shove to isolate preflop with 2 to act behind me. You like

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I'm worried that the math might not work out in my favor..

There's always a chance that one of the two guys behind me called with AA KK and would have called my shove. So sometimes I'm a huge underdog and will likely lose my stack, and the rest of the time I'm winning only a small pot.

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No, there is a very low chance they have AA/KK
Firstly - they flat call very rarely. Secondly, with a K and an A in your hand, there is half the combinations of AA and KK out there. So they are extremely unlikely to have it. If they do have it, it's like being afraid of a set against ur AA on the flop - you still get it in almost always and chalk it up to a bad beat when they do, because it's +EV against their average range.

If anyone calls, they will often have something like JJ/QQ (or AK) and with money already in the pot it is very +EV to get it in with a 50% chance of winning it - even if you do get the occasional bad beat.
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