HU, OOP with a mid-PP in a blind defense.

ZOMG_RIGGED! · #1 09-06-2007, 01:17 PM

I was told I missed too many bets. How do you play this?

3-6 AP 6-man. Villian is a 2+2er, and a "pro" SSSH AP player. We have TONS of recent history, mostly because we both multiple table and play alot. We've been in lots of recent blind battles. Villain may see me as overly defensive of my blinds, pretty loose, and probably thinks I get a sick joy out of engaging in blind battles with them.

I'm in the BB with 88, no spade.

fold, UTG+1 limps, fold, Villian on button Raise, SB folds, I 3bet, limper folds, Villian calls.

Flop K22, two spades. I bet, Villain raises, I call.
Turn meaningless brick. I check, Villian checks.

River K. check, check.

River check was solely done because I thought I had the hand figured out and thought there was no chance of geting a call if I bet, but maybe a small chance that it would be bet if I checked. I was pretty sure Villian didnt have an ace, and thought a call with Q high wouldnt happen.

Completly standard here? should I have B/C the flop and B/F the turn? I have seen the villian try and pick up my blinds with marginal hands in steal position but felt the addition of the limper narrowed the PF range somewhat.

NinaWilliams · #2 09-06-2007, 01:21 PM

Bet the river. No one folds A high on a double paired board.

Oink · #3 09-06-2007, 01:22 PM

wtf did villain have?

Flop and turn are fine IMO

River: Bet if he calls with A high. C/c is bad IMO. The fact that he might have 44-66 makes me hate c/f as well. So prolly b/f.

Again. Wtf did he have?

thepizzlefosho · #4 09-06-2007, 01:25 PM

I agree with oink. flop and turn are good.

standard b/f on the river. c/c on the river is pretty bad.

ZOMG_RIGGED! · #5 09-06-2007, 01:27 PM

C/F was never part of the equation.

IMO villian would almost always call with an ace, or PP.

After I'm passifed by the flop bet is any A or PP checking the turn though? Doesnt any thinking Villian now assume I dont have a K becuase I didnt 3 bet the flop and give it a shot to see if I'll fold my AJ ish kind of hand?

ZOMG_RIGGED! · #6 09-06-2007, 01:29 PM

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I think it is more likely that he has a 33-77 and he is never folding these hands to your bet.

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But are you honestly checking the turn if you had 77? Shouldnt a thinking opponent know I don thave a K here most of the time and value bet their 77 and not let me draw for free to my 6 outs?

Oink · #7 09-06-2007, 01:39 PM

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I think it is more likely that he has a 33-77 and he is never folding these hands to your bet.

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But are you honestly checking the turn if you had 77? Shouldnt a thinking opponent know I don thave a K here most of the time and value bet their 77 and not let me draw for free to my 6 outs?

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I agree. IMO there isnt any hand in his range that is well played

thepizzlefosho · #8 09-06-2007, 01:46 PM

remember that most villains don't play their hands well. Stop trying to give him a hand that rationally makes sense to play, and value bet the river since you are definitely ahead of his range when he checks behind.

ZOMG_RIGGED! · #9 09-06-2007, 01:47 PM

I hate to be one of those people who posts a hand and asks for advice but then argues agaisnt everyone becuase they alrady feel they played the hand perfectly :-)

I was really more curious about the turn play, and a little about the flop.

I really felt my read after the turn check was spot on. I dont have my PT here at work but I bet we've logged easily more than 1K hands against each other since mid july. I cant think of a single time off the top of my Villian has done anything half as stupid as the crap I pull everyday. Maybe this hand is too dependant on the read and past experience. I easily felt the flop raise was a "feeler" bet. Lack of a PF cap narrows the range a lot IMO. I think I'm getting capped here by 99+ and big aces because Villian probably feels I defend lightly. Turn check to me copletly took away the possiblity of a PP of any kind becuase Villian should think its good when I didnt 3bet the flop. I think the nut flush draw would have been turn bet too.

Seriously no one B/F the turn here? to risky if the Villian has Asxs and decides to bet me off my hand again?

If a flop cap, and B/F the turn as awful as it feels?

Heisenb3rg · #10 09-06-2007, 04:53 PM

I assume they were just trying to see if you could fold for 1 bet on the flop with an underpair, which is an exploitable tendency of some low limit TAGs.

I would weight his hand heavily to Ax right now, which is why you must bet this river with some Ax hands and your pairs. You win no matter what he does.

Had the river not paired I would have checked planning to raise since I dont think A hi is calling a blank river, and he may try to value bet a pocket pair thinking you have A hi...