KK in weird preflop action

kura0 · #1 09-06-2007, 11:08 AM

PartyPoker $400 NL Hold'em (6 handed) HandRecorder v0.9b

Stacks & Stats
BB ($360)
UTG ($636.20) (18/11/3.14/29) (285h)
MP ($700.90)
CO ($382.95)
BU ($382.85) (47/0/1.25/18) (19h)
Hero ($404)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls $4, 2 folds, BU raises to $16, Hero raises to $52, 1 folds, UTG calls $48, BU calls $36.

Flop: ($160) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $115, UTG raises to $584.2 (all-in), BU calls $330.85 (all-in), Hero folds.

Turn: ($1,190.05) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($1,190.05) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $1,190.05.

is my fold alright here? do i c/f flop?

FionnMac · #2 09-06-2007, 11:10 AM

wtf bet/call flop all day

Hattifnatt · #3 09-06-2007, 11:14 AM

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is my fold alright here?

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no

INDIEYEE · #4 09-06-2007, 11:31 AM

Yes, easy fold.. UTG prob has u crushed, the flop fits his range perfectly as he limp-calls big re-raise from UTG... Even without BU calling I think this is a pretty easy fold..

schwza · #5 09-06-2007, 11:24 AM

i like your line. utg has AA a big % here after limp-cold calling. he's 18/11 - wtf do you think he has? really no way to know what button has but he probably has a bunch of outs.

hardkAre · #6 09-06-2007, 11:28 AM

seems fine

FionnMac · #7 09-06-2007, 11:32 AM

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i like your line. utg has AA a big % here after limp-cold calling. he's 18/11 - wtf do you think he has? really no way to know what button has but he probably has a bunch of outs.

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Obv we're behind a decent amount here, but we're getting like 5-1! Surely we're up against QQ/JJ and a draw enough to make this a pretty straightforward call.

schwza · #8 09-06-2007, 11:40 AM

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i like your line. utg has AA a big % here after limp-cold calling. he's 18/11 - wtf do you think he has? really no way to know what button has but he probably has a bunch of outs.

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Obv we're behind a decent amount here, but we're getting like 5-1! Surely we're up against QQ/JJ and a draw enough to make this a pretty straightforward call.

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it's only 4.55-1 and i think utg has AA like 90% here.

FionnMac · #9 09-06-2007, 11:43 AM

OP - sn of villains for Party regs?

CopTHIS · #10 09-06-2007, 11:52 AM

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i like your line. utg has AA a big % here after limp-cold calling. he's 18/11 - wtf do you think he has? really no way to know what button has but he probably has a bunch of outs.

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Obv we're behind a decent amount here, but we're getting like 5-1! Surely we're up against QQ/JJ and a draw enough to make this a pretty straightforward call.

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it's only 4.55-1 and i think utg has AA like 90% here.

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I make it that hero needs 16.6% equity to break even (ignoring any side-pot issues), and I would expect UTG to hardly ever have AA here. Seems like 66,77,88,99 a fair bit of the time, which is obv similar to AA in equity (except for 88). Anyway, and again ignoring any side-pot issues, if you give UTG {KK,AA,66,77,88,99} and the other fella {66+} then it's quite close. You can play around with ranges, but given the reads of the other two players I reckon it's probably hard to say there's much in it either way - though you can argue that if it's at least very close with a tight range then you have to call because almost everyone does odd-looking things from time to time.

Personally I'm a station so call, obv.