200NL- Squeeze QQ and BB shoves

Imrahil · #1 09-06-2007, 10:53 AM

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $328.05
BB: $200.00
UTG: $125.65
MP: $195.95
CO: $172.60
BTN: $193.95

Reads: Villain is p0ck3tp3ar and is 25/17/1.8 over 400 hands. Don't think I've played with him before and he just came to the table. Don't think he knows anything about me.

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, MP raises to $8.00, CO folds, BTN calls $8.00, Hero raises to $32.00, BB raises all-in to $200.00, Hero?

Think his range is like KK+, AK. His shove could weigh it towards AK though so not sure.

jeccross · #2 09-06-2007, 10:57 AM

Fold. Don't think the dead money is anywhere near enough to make up for the times you're behind AA,KK. I lieks shoving here more and more with AA,KK as people always put you on AK.

otis_nixon · #3 09-06-2007, 09:58 PM

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Fold. Don't think the dead money is anywhere near enough to make up for the times you're behind AA,KK. I lieks shoving here more and more with AA,KK as people always put you on AK.

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Do you even play these games man? Guys can turn up with all kinds of stuff, QQ can definitely call here. I can't believe everyone wants to give up here, especially since the way this hand went down a lot of guys think youre just putting a move on the dead money.

Here's one from yesterday me against a decent winning tag from 1/2 and 2/4

PartyPoker $200 NL Hold'em (6 handed) HandRecorder v0.9b

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG raises to $8, 2 folds, BU calls $8, Hero raises to $40, 1 folds, UTG raises to $199, 1 folds, Hero is all-In, UTG calls $5.

Flop: ($414) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($254) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($254) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $254.

Results in white below:

UTG shows [ Th, Tc ]two pairs, Tens and Eights.
Hero doesn't show [ Ac, Kh ]a pair of Eights.
UTG wins $414.50 USD from the main pot with two pairs, Tens and Eights.
UTG shows [ Th, Tc ]two pairs, Tens and Eights.
Hero doesn't show [ Ac, Kh ]a pair of Eights.
UTG wins $414.50 USD from the main pot with two pairs, Tens and Eights

jeccross · #4 09-07-2007, 05:42 AM

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Fold. Don't think the dead money is anywhere near enough to make up for the times you're behind AA,KK. I lieks shoving here more and more with AA,KK as people always put you on AK.

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This is different. UTG is only facing one raiser here when he pushes whereas BBin hn one pushes into original raiser and reraiser. Big difference in my opinion as it is much less liekly to be a move.

Do you even play these games man? Guys can turn up with all kinds of stuff, QQ can definitely call here. I can't believe everyone wants to give up here, especially since the way this hand went down a lot of guys think youre just putting a move on the dead money.

Here's one from yesterday me against a decent winning tag from 1/2 and 2/4

PartyPoker $200 NL Hold'em (6 handed) HandRecorder v0.9b

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG raises to $8, 2 folds, BU calls $8, Hero raises to $40, 1 folds, UTG raises to $199, 1 folds, Hero is all-In, UTG calls $5.

Flop: ($414) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($254) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($254) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $254.

Results in white below:

UTG shows [ Th, Tc ]two pairs, Tens and Eights.
Hero doesn't show [ Ac, Kh ]a pair of Eights.
UTG wins $414.50 USD from the main pot with two pairs, Tens and Eights.
UTG shows [ Th, Tc ]two pairs, Tens and Eights.
Hero doesn't show [ Ac, Kh ]a pair of Eights.
UTG wins $414.50 USD from the main pot with two pairs, Tens and Eights

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flameboy · #5 09-06-2007, 11:00 AM

$170 for $250 in a 2:3 shot against his range. Smells like a fold to me, even if you move his range a little closer to AK.

Toni Cogin · #6 09-06-2007, 11:12 AM

call:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 60.143% 59.92% 00.22% 172384116 626394.00 { KK+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 39.857% 39.64% 00.22% 114030168 626394.00 { QQ }

168/448=0.375

+ he also could be doing this with QQ and air some % of the time

Fonkey123 · #7 09-06-2007, 11:12 AM

Usually call here.

Jay Riall · #8 09-06-2007, 11:15 AM

Yeah call given the stove results. Also its great for you if he only occasionally does this with JJ/TT/air, plus AA/KK is usually more likely to 4bet rather than shove.

jeccross · #9 09-06-2007, 11:26 AM

Stove results are unweighted. I never do this with AK. It's also a very different situation to original preflop raiser pushing, this is never a bluff.

FGators · #10 09-06-2007, 01:48 PM

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call:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 60.143% 59.92% 00.22% 172384116 626394.00 { KK+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 39.857% 39.64% 00.22% 114030168 626394.00 { QQ }

168/448=0.375

+ he also could be doing this with QQ and air some % of the time

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Thanks for the stats but put a "0" in front of that % and we are straight.