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Old 09-05-2007, 06:14 PM
EasilyFound EasilyFound is offline
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Default Re: Outs Chart in Professional No Limit Hold\'em--Is it correct?

I know this will be viewed as nick pickie and persnickity, but I think that this kind of information should be accurate and never open to question.

PNLH has an outs chart that gives odds/percentages for your outs. Problem I found is that it conflicts with information from other charts that I've collected from the web.

PNLH says that 9 outs is 33.67% to hit on the turn or river. Three other charts say the percentage is 35. Rounding doesn't solve the problem.

PNLH says that 5 outs is 19.56% to hit on the turn or river. My three charts put that percentage at 20.4 or 20.35 or 20.3.

The issue is not whether the difference is negligible, but whether it is correct. This is math. Aside from whether you round up or not, everyone's chart should be the same.

What gives. I'll try to post links for the three charts if I can find them.

Two of the three charts are still on the web. The third is from cardplayer, but the chart no longer is posted. Here are the other two: Chart #1 and Chart #2.
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Old 09-05-2007, 06:27 PM
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Default Re: Outs Chart in Professional No Limit Hold\'em--Is it correct?

Yes, you're right. This was caught before.
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Old 09-05-2007, 06:39 PM
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Default Re: Outs Chart in Professional No Limit Hold\'em--Is it correct?

Sorry. Just got the book and I've been on vacation for three weeks. Thanks.
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Old 09-06-2007, 05:04 PM
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Default Re: Outs Chart in Professional No Limit Hold\'em--Is it correct?

If this was a non-2+2 book wouldn't mason/david rip on something like this? I'm sure they have in the past.
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Old 09-06-2007, 05:59 PM
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Default Re: Outs Chart in Professional No Limit Hold\'em--Is it correct?

I'm sure they'll correct it before the next printing
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Old 09-06-2007, 06:37 PM
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Default Re: Outs Chart in Professional No Limit Hold\'em--Is it correct?

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If this was a non-2+2 book wouldn't mason/david rip on something like this? I'm sure they have in the past.

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they have never ripped on things for typos, its always for mathematical errors/concept errors.
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Old 09-06-2007, 07:13 PM
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This is not a typo. It is a math error. They used the wrong divisor. Is that what you call it? Been so long since I took math.
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Old 09-07-2007, 05:03 PM
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If this was a non-2+2 book wouldn't mason/david rip on something like this? I'm sure they have in the past.

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they have never ripped on things for typos, its always for mathematical errors/concept errors.

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From what I understand they are dividing by the wrong number so all of the percentages are wrong and this has been admitted by Flynn. Pretty sure this is exactly what they have ripped on other authors for doing.
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