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When should the dealer push the chips to the winning player
Hello,
At what point should the dealer shove the chips to the winning player. The reason I ask is because of the following. This is how the hand went down. blinds 1/1 3 limps I limp with k10s on the button. SB raises to 8 he raises about 50% of pots from any position. (I also knew he was going to raise before the flop due to a tell I have on him). 2 calls I reraise to 50 trying to just take the hand down there. SB FOLDs 1st player folds. 2nd player calls she only had 20 more so I get my change. Board comes down and I did not hit any of the board. I say K and table my hand. The woman says a pair of fours and tables her hand 94s. The table goes whooooo. The dealer pushes the pot to the woman and scoops the board. I still have hold of my cards. I ask the dealer to relay out the board as he still has the cards in his hand and in the correct order. The board is J 4 7 J 7 I tell the dealer that the 4 does not play and I have the winning hand. He then tells the woman to give me the chips. The woman compalins that she should be able to keep the pot as it she was determined the winner by the dealer and passed the chips. She gets a ruleing and the floor makes the right ruleing and awards me the pot. Other questions I have about this hand. Could I have asked to go to the camera if the dealer mucked the board. What if the table is not covered with a camera. Thanks Mark. |
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Re: When should the dealer push the chips to the winning player
Don't table a hand until the river. Determining a winner at the flop is pointless.
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Re: When should the dealer push the chips to the winning player
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Don't table a hand until the river. Determining a winner at the flop is pointless. [/ QUOTE ]Even so, the dealer was an idiot. It would be like an umpire calling the winner of a baseball game based on the score at the 4th inning. I would be very wary of playing while this dealer was dealing in any future games. And at least the OP caught the dealer's mistake in time, and made him deal the rest of the board, and called the floor to resolve it. |
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Re: When should the dealer push the chips to the winning player
sry the complete board was out. And we tabled our hand after the river.
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Re: When should the dealer push the chips to the winning player
I think you are misreading the OP. (well thats because it was poorly written) I believe that the OP means a full board was dealt and the dealer misread the hand -- didn't realize the player who had been winning on the flop was now counterfeited.
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Re: When should the dealer push the chips to the winning player
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(well thats because it was poorly written) [/ QUOTE ] English never has been one of my strong points. |
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Re: When should the dealer push the chips to the winning player
So if I still have my hand and the casino has passed the pot and scooped the board and mixed the board with the other cards. I then say my hand is the winner what should be the ruleing.
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Re: When should the dealer push the chips to the winning player
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I think you are misreading the OP. (well thats because it was poorly written) I believe that the OP means a full board was dealt and the dealer misread the hand -- didn't realize the player who had been winning on the flop was now counterfeited. [/ QUOTE ]Oh, OK. In that case, the dealer was just not thinking (maybe tired?), or is still an idiot. At least not as much an idiot as I initially thought. There's really not much to comment on. You didn't release your hand, you called out the mistake, the dealer corrected it, and the floor upheld the decision. Pretty simple. |
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Re: When should the dealer push the chips to the winning player
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Even so, the dealer was an idiot. It would be like an umpire calling the winner of a baseball game based on the score at the 4th inning. I would be very wary of playing while this dealer was dealing in any future games. And at least the OP caught the dealer's mistake in time, and made him deal the rest of the board, and called the floor to resolve it. [/ QUOTE ] Glad you have gone through your life without EVER making a mistake...However, many dealers DO make a mistake once and a while. Hundreds of hands a day, there is bound to be one or two that don't go perfectly... [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] Which is exactly why the rule "Cards speak for themselves" exists. If players would simply just table his or her hand at the end (keeping a finger on the cards to "protect the hand"), and wait for the pot to be pushed correctly, there would be less problems like this. Most of the time, as long as both cards are turned face up and kept by the players, if the dealer misreads the hand and starts to push the pot the wrong way, players will generally jump and make the correction before it gets too far. But let's say not only the dealer misreads the hand, but so does the person who SHOULD have won the hand, and the pot is pushed, chips are stacked, etc; If someone realizes the pot was pushed the wrong way, generally you can go to the tape as long as the cards were turned up and visible. Nothing is more irritating than those that just show one card to try and win, or those that don't actually "table the hand" and instead hold the cards up so only people at the table can see. - Just table the hand, keep it in your control until the pot is pushed and then move on to the next hand... |
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Re: When should the dealer push the chips to the winning player
The dealer should not push the pot until he has killed all the non-winning hands.hen at that point if the pot gets pushed to the wrong player we can ask you why you didn't speak up when the dealer killed your hand.
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