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Old 08-30-2007, 10:15 AM
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Default KQo OTB Crypto $109

I've done nothing at all and have ~2300 and villain covers slightly and has done nothing of note either.

Folds to me OTB with KQ and I raise 3x to 150 and villain makes it 450 to go and I call. Anyone like a fold? I like a fold I think but, FWIW, my own sense of his bet-timing and my long and sorry experience of Crytpo suggested to me that I was OK against his range here and would have position.

Flop is KTx rainbow. He instantly leads 700. I?
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Old 08-30-2007, 10:31 AM
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Default Re: KQo OTB Crypto $109

Im sure he thought you were trying to steal preflop. I would shove, you are only losing to AK and AA. I wouldnt want to call here and see a dirty turn card.
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Old 08-31-2007, 05:59 PM
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Im sure he thought you were trying to steal preflop. I would shove, you are only losing to AK and AA.

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Man, I wish my KQo would hold up against KK/QQ/AQ the way it sounds like yours do.
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Old 08-31-2007, 06:01 PM
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Default Re: KQo OTB Crypto $109

BTW, is flat-calling improved/worsened if we plan to shove over a c-bet with a certain frequency when we completely whiff on a raggedy low flop?
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Old 08-31-2007, 06:09 PM
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Default Re: KQo OTB Crypto $109

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BTW, is flat-calling improved/worsened if we plan to shove over a c-bet with a certain frequency when we completely whiff on a raggedy low flop?

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I think if he's the type of player that you can flat-call here he's usually also the type of player you can shove over whiffed flops profitably.
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Old 08-31-2007, 06:12 PM
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Yeah, I bring it up because I actually think you NEED to do that occasionally in order to make flat-calling profitable here.
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Old 08-31-2007, 07:16 PM
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Default Re: KQo OTB Crypto $109

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BTW, is flat-calling improved/worsened if we plan to shove over a c-bet with a certain frequency when we completely whiff on a raggedy low flop?

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Exactly that. Or cr turn ai when flop is checked through. Or bet the draw/overcards and puke call when he shoves.

I'm not convinced that calling is a losing move here but that's a site thing.

Anyway, I called because I figured I was ahead most of the time. The board was safe and I think he instaraise/instabet routine is very weak on this flop.

That said, it's difficult to see how I then extract any more chips from his pf range of pairs and big aces so I think pushing is the move on this flop.

I called. Flop is a rag putting up two hearts and I have K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. I have less than PSB left and he checks to me. We clearly shove here?
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Old 08-30-2007, 10:33 AM
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Default Re: KQo OTB Crypto $109

I would def fold after raise PF...but now considering you have hit your flop, you have put yourself in a tough position. Its either a shove or fold with these stacks. Personally I would shove, but dont be surpised to get stacked by AK or AA.
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Old 08-30-2007, 11:11 AM
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Default Re: KQo OTB Crypto $109

I would push the flop. Flat calling doesn't make sense with so much already in there.

I would probably 4-bet allin preflop. Pushing, calling, and folding preflop are all OK. I personally don't like to flat call with this kind of hand.
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Old 08-30-2007, 02:48 PM
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Default Re: KQo OTB Crypto $109

i dont like the flatcall pre and IMO with these stacks folding>pushing
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