Tricky river decision (1/2)

[iggymcfly]

Haven't been paying enough attention to have much of a read on villain, but he hasn't been out of line. Don't have my HUD open either.


PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $2 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($46.20)
Button ($74.20)
SB ($129.35)
Hero ($342.50)
UTG ($106.30)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls $2, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero checks.

Flop: ($5) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4.75</font>, Button calls $4.75.

Turn: ($14.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $8</font>, Button calls $8.

River: ($30.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $14.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $59.45</font>

[piiop]

I'd call cuz he open limped on the button, only has 75, and your bet sizing with the board might encourage him to bluff.

It is closish tho, I wouldn't hate a fold.

[Hoopster81]

is leading the flop standard here?

[jbird]

I would c/c river. You are WA/WB.

As played, given your turn and river bets, and without any discernable read other than he's sitting w/ 3/4 stack and open limped the button, I'd make the call here expecting to be good often enough to make it +EV.

[Triantafylidis]

i cant really say i like the lead on the flop... There are hands that you beat here even if it isnt a stone cold bluff so i probably make the reluctant call. Youd be surprised how many times donks have flipped over two spades in this situation and play it like the nuts. PM me the outcome [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[iggymcfly]

I'll get to the outcome in the thread eventually after we get through the discussion.

Was going to comment on this for now though:

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I would c/c river. You are WA/WB.

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By definition, we're always WA/WB on the river since there are no cards left for anyone to catch up to us. However, this certainly isn't a checking situation. Weak flushes and maybe even Axxx will pay us but will rarely bet if checked to. And I don't see anything villain can have at this point that he'd be looking to bluff with.

[jbird]

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By definition, we're always WA/WB on the river since there are no cards left for anyone to catch up to us.

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True, but we often have a good idea as to where we stand. The WA/WB refers to the fact that in this spot, we don't.

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By definition, we're always WA/WB on the river since there are no cards left for anyone to catch up to us. However, this certainly isn't a checking situation. Weak flushes and maybe even Axxx will pay us but will rarely bet if checked to. And I don't see anything villain can have at this point that he'd be looking to bluff with.

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He may think he's valuebetting.

And if the above is your thinking on this hand, then it's an easy fold.

[-DJM-]

I would say that your opponent is already made with A10. IMO he doesnt want to kill action by potting the turn/wants to see river card peel off. Best case here you are looking at a split pot. Once the villian raises I dont think I make this call without a good read.

Unlike most people here, I like the river bet rather than c/c the river. It gives you the info you need. No way villian comes over top here without the goods. Just my 2 cents.

[Aisthesis]

"he hasn't been out of line"
That should really mean fold, but in a HU pot, I have trouble with that.

There's AT, A4, TT (which is the main loser that I think he might have) 44 and nut flush. I guess I'd have to call. I think you win this more than 1/3 of the time, and HU I do think it's possible he's playing a flush that way.

[alavet]

call and cry

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