ATs vs. annoying flop donker (50NL)

emKay · #1 08-28-2007, 08:05 AM

Villain is a 60/3 fish. I haven't sat very long with him, but he donked every single flop oop into the pf raiser. He did this like 4 or 5 times, then this hand happened:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($50.40)
Hero ($43)
Button ($82.70)
SB ($79.15)
BB ($66.55)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, BB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($4.25) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $3, Hero calls $3.

I called him because he annoyed me. I know this is no reason, but anyways, I called. Good/bad/horrible? Whats our plan to defend against such an idiot?

Turn: ($10.25) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $6, Hero raises to $18, BB calls $12.

So I caught an open ender and raised him up. In hindsight, I don't think he follows up with a turn bet when he has bet the flop with air, so the raise was probablay very bad.

River: ($46.25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $5, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $46.25

sightless · #2 08-28-2007, 08:11 AM

raise flop if he donks every time. This is a pretty dry boardand he is unlikly to hit it.

I dont like raising this turn, after he bets he is telling you he has some sort of a a hand and with those stats its a little silly to try to make him fold it

danny8 · #3 08-28-2007, 08:30 AM

raise him up on the flop. he prolly didnt hit this board, if he calls you can shut down

tmcdmck · #4 08-28-2007, 10:42 AM

seen any showdowns when he donked for a read? In my experience a donkbet usually means a weak-sih one pair. I would suggest waiting for a better spot and folding flop. Though a raise on the flop (which he will moost probably call) then a double barrel can work beautifully if the situation is right (ie they dont showdown every hand/ think of you as a bluffer/ their range isnt exclusively top pair).

but yeah, dont call flop

emKay · #5 08-28-2007, 11:38 AM

Forgot to add that, no, he took the pot down every time he donked.

wslee00 · #6 08-28-2007, 01:01 PM

raise or fold that flop, calling isn't gonna get you anywhere

sisyphus75 · #7 08-28-2007, 01:20 PM

Its hard to get a station to fold, don't bluff the station, eventhough he annoys you - "you will tilt"

PFB is fine; 2-bet the flop, if he calls give up. Since he plays 60%, his range is pretty large. I think he probably hit any part of that flop, and he is putting you on AQ+. I would wait for a better spot to take him.

who folds to a $5 bet on a $46 pot with air? I would take note of what he had and how he played it for $5.