God I hate AQ

[Dave D]

FTP Daily Double, about 60 left. No reads on villian as he just got to the table like 5 hands ago.

Hero (60.7k in chips) has A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], and is UTG+1

Blinds 2000/1000-250 ante

Hero opens for 6k, 4 folds, villian 1 calls (150.5k), SB Villian 2 (100.2k) makes it 10k to go, we both call.

I know his minraise is basically saying his range is TT+,AK, and probably QQ/KK and maybe AA. But I'm getting really good odds here, both implied and immediate, I have to call. Also I have position on the raiser.

Flop:

T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Villian 2 bets out 18k, What's my line?

[Proofrock]

Well, you can't fold and calling sucks so shove. You'll be behind a lot, but there's really no other play here given the size of your stack relative to the pot.

[erc007]

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FTP Daily Double, about 60 left. No reads on villian as he just got to the table like 5 hands ago.

Hero (60.7k in chips) has A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], and is UTG+1

Blinds 2000/1000-250 ante

Hero opens for 6k, 4 folds, villian 1 calls (150.5k), SB Villian 2 (100.2k) makes it 10k to go, we both call.

I know his minraise is basically saying his range is TT+,AK, and probably QQ/KK and maybe AA. But I'm getting really good odds here, both implied and immediate, I have to call. Also I have position on the raiser.

Flop:

T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Villian 2 bets out 18k, What's my line?

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With AQo...your implied odds here are almost non-existent, IMO. You have 2 chances to win a big pot (flop 2 Q's or Broadway) and about 1001 ways to lose a big pot...and this flop looks like one of them.

[Tackleberry]

You open from UTG+1 with a small raise (in comparison to blinds+antes) and get one caller (not respecting your scary raise!) AND one min-raiser (even less respecting your scary raise) - who shows you that he is not afraid of one / two callers. This does not seem like TT+ for me, honestly ...

So, what are you hoping for on the flop? As erc said, you don´t have the correct implied odds ... even while getting 8:1.

The flop - besides gutshot / flush-draws is one of the best flops you could hope for. Nevertheless you´re in the situation where you easily could lose your whole stack without having any information at all.

Said this, I tend to fold preflop (!!) and I certainly fold the flop.

[Dave D]

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You open from UTG+1 with a small raise (in comparison to blinds+antes)

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3x isn't a small raise, it's standard. In fact, at this stage in the tourney, a lot of people 2.5x.

[Dave D]

Ok so to everyone saying fold PF after the raise. There's no way I can ever do that here getting the odds I'm getting. Are you serious? I'm almost getting the odds to flop trips here, just realize that you need to be careful and flop an A to be good here.

I posted this hand because I've seen what happened with the rest of it now twice in the last week. I'm not sure I want to post results (or even the turn yet) but people need to stop being so scared. Villian's range here is probably JJ, QQ, KK and AA. I don't think he plays the flop that fast with a set of aces (and really it's so unlikely I have to pay it off) so I was actually pretty confident I was ahead. AK is possible here, but I thought about preflop and thought NO-ONE ever minraises AK like this PF.

As someone else said, people have serious problems getting away from big pairs late tourney. They also collapse strategy wise and get confused/nervous/scared when it gets late in a tourney and [censored] up. Law of Loose Wiring (just applying it here).

I didn't like pushing the flop because villian never calls with something I beat. I decided the best thing was to call and see what he does on the turn, with a plan to pretty much call any bet and/or get it in myself. I also thought villian's flop bet signaled weakness, something about it I just expected more. Or maybe a c/r.

[registrar]

I'm folding to the rr pre-flop.

[JammyDodga]

Hmm, I definitely consider folding pre-flop, I think his range is pretty much QQ+, and maybe AK, but I think this is less likely.

On the flop, I think there's a decent chance you have the best hand, the only porblem is how to confirm this without losing all your chips.

I think a high pair is much more likely that AK for the min-raise pre-flop. Furthermore, you have one of the aces, and one has just hit the board, so it becomes less likely.

I think a flat call is OK here, I think KK, QQ are likely to slow down on the turn (especially if a spade hits), where-as AK and AA are definitely betting.

[Tackleberry]

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I think a flat call is OK here, I think KK, QQ are likely to slow down on the turn (especially if a spade hits), where-as AK and AA are definitely betting.

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Investing nearly half of my remaining stack here to see if Villain slows down on the turn does not seem like a good idea for me ... and how often do we estimate Villain to make a weak c-bet on THIS flop against two opponents with KK?

[levAA]

I agree with tackleberry, this is a fold preflop.

The only flop you would like to see is a straight and therefore your odds/implied odds are too bad.

This is one of the spots where i really would prefer AQ to be suited to call.

Postflop i muck this as fast as i can.