200NL: Overs and NFD vs solid...

[SirFelixCat]

Villain is 21/13/8 over 200 hands or so and I was running @ 19/15/4. What range do we give villain and what's our best line on the flop?

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $83.20
BB: $247.80
UTG: $234.15
MP: $195.10
Hero (CO): $302.60
BTN: $219.90

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $8.00</font>, 2 folds, BB calls $6.00

Flop: ($17) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $12.00</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $42.00</font>, Hero ???

[aislephive]

Shrug, I usually 3 bet / call this.

Another good line to take especially if you think he is FOS is to call and shove over his turn bet.

[Fonkey123]

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Shrug, I usually 3 bet / call this.

Another good line to take especially if you think he is FOS is to call and shove over his turn bet.

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Call and shove over turn bet is super sexy.

[CaptainBusto]

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Shrug, I usually 3 bet / call this.

Another good line to take especially if you think he is FOS is to call and shove over his turn bet.

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Call and shove over turn bet is super sexy.

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why is getting it in on the turn a good idea? if we hit our ace or draw, the action will be gone and if we miss, our equity is much worse than on the flop.
or are we doing this only to push him off a bluff/weak pair?

[traz]

meh, the turn bet is all about FE, and I'm not sure how much we really have. Most villain's don't cr the flop and then c/f the turn, so I probably check. But then again, his AF is 8, so maybe his c/r range is wide.

Lots to think about, not sure there's a hard and fast correct answer

[Xanta]

traz, don't you think it's wierd that a 'solid' villain is check/minraising a low flop unlikely to have hit a 19/15/4's opening range? I mean, I think felix cbets a lot (not sure, but from the hands I've seen of his) and I know it's fun to check/minraise bluff TAGs that cbet a lot.

Basically, we bet the turn because I really don't think he has a hand when he check minraises (should be c/r bigger or b/3b with a monster on this flop texture and villain is solid) Even if he does have a hand, people rarely double c/r (as has been said) and we have outs and equity so it's not terrible, but the real purpose of the bet is to get him off of a hand that he thinks he's bluffing with but is actually ahead (A2, A4, 45, whatever. This is actually why the 3 really sucks)

I'm in the shove over turn bet camp. I think we have heaps of FE.

[SirFelixCat]

I'm still new up at 200NL so I really wasn't sure whether to try and get it all in here on the flop or to see a turn card.

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Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $83.20
BB: $247.80
UTG: $234.15
MP: $195.10
Hero (CO): $302.60
BTN: $219.90

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $8.00</font>, 2 folds, BB calls $6.00

Flop: ($17) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $12.00</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $42.00</font>, Hero calls $30.00

Turn: ($101) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero ???


If we bet, the turn and he c/r's can we call getting 2:1 having picked up 3 more possible outs?

[Fonkey123]

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I'm still new up at 200NL so I really wasn't sure whether to try and get it all in here on the flop or to see a turn card.

Here is the next step:

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $83.20
BB: $247.80
UTG: $234.15
MP: $195.10
Hero (CO): $302.60
BTN: $219.90

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $8.00</font>, 2 folds, BB calls $6.00

Flop: ($17) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $12.00</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $42.00</font>, Hero calls $30.00

Turn: ($101) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero ???


If we bet, the turn and he c/r's can we call getting 2:1 having picked up 3 more possible outs?

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Worst turn card ever. I almost always check here, but I might be doing it wrong [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[aislephive]

Bet bet bet the turn plz, I'd make it $85. People rarely ever go for the double c/r and he doesn't have 9x ever anyways. He probably just has air or like 77 which folds on the turn to a bet.

If he shoves I'd call, btw.

[Fonkey123]

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Bet bet bet the turn plz, I'd make it $85. People rarely ever go for the double c/r and he doesn't have 9x ever anyways. He probably just has air or like 77 which folds on the turn to a bet.

If he shoves I'd call, btw.

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RLY? I check for the reason no one ever ever ever folds any pair to me here [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] and we're already ahead of air, and may get one more bluff out of him if we hit.