third quick checkup 1/2 fr POSSIBLE PLAYALONG

[BigBadBabar]

1/2 fullring online, playing 7 handed
my image is lagtag fwiw
button seemed aggressive in a small sample
no reads on rest

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero checks.

Flop: (5.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
Hero ? and why ?

post your thoughts, and i can continue with the hand later if need be...

[Dr. Matt]

hero bets out. The board is draw-heavy and giving a free card would be bad. If raised, I'd call and see what the turn was before making my decision.

[kerowo]

I don't relish playing KJo OOP against this many folks so I have no problem with the check.

I would lead this flop and hope MP1 raises it with a draw to push out other drawing hands. If it is raised I call and see what the turn brings, probably c/r most non-club turns.

[Fantam]

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I would lead this flop and hope MP1 raises it with a draw to push out other drawing hands. If it is raised I call and see what the turn brings, probably c/r most non-club turns.

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Why not 3-bet the flop if it is raised Kerowo ? You dont really want to have a whiffed flush draw check behind on the turn do you ?

[Dr. Matt]

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I would lead this flop and hope MP1 raises it with a draw to push out other drawing hands. If it is raised I call and see what the turn brings, probably c/r most non-club turns.

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Why not 3-bet the flop if it is raised Kerowo ? You dont really want to have a whiffed flush draw check behind on the turn do you ?

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I would not 3-bet because our equity can change dramatically on teh turn if a straight/flush card hits. If you're worried about a flush draw trying for the free card, may I suggest a donk-bet on a safe turn?

[Fantam]

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I would not 3-bet because our equity can change dramatically on the turn if a straight/flush card hits. If you're worried about a flush draw trying for the free card, may I suggest a donk-bet on a safe turn?

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Is that not the idea of value betting, so that you gain value from hands which are drawing, when your hand is the favourite to win ?

[Fantam]

It would be lovely to check raise the button, but I dont think that you have a guarantee that the button will bet if everyone else checks.

So, I bet the flop. I dont want to see this drawy board checked through.

[bennyhana]

I bet/3 bet if able. If you're image is lagtag and an aggressive player raises this flop, I'm all up in his face with a trey. If it si a weak tight passive piece of [censored], I call and re-evaluate.

If a club comes later, I think I can fold if I see the need.

[BigBadBabar]

okay, the next part:

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero checks.

Flop: (5.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, MP2 folds, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">

Hero 3-bets</font>, MP1 calls, Button calls.


Turn: (7.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero ...

[derwipok]

Hero calls and hopes that a Q falls on the river as he probably hasn't got the best hand.