Bad river card?

Aaron W. · #1 08-24-2007, 10:24 AM

Preflop may be a little loose for some of you, but given that I did call, is there enough room on the river for a value bet?

Villain is a relatively unknown player, but he is known to be aggressive (which is why I took a flop against him).

PokerStars $1/$2 Limit Hold'em - 4 players
Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
CO folds, Button calls, SB raises, Hero calls, Button calls.

Flop: (6.00 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, Button calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, Button folds, SB calls.

River: (8.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero...

Bona · #2 08-24-2007, 11:06 AM

I don't think he calls with anything you beat and only might fold a better king (might!!!) I check it through.

EDITED TO ADD: After another look, there are no better Kings. All the more reason to check thru IMO.

CrMenace · #3 08-24-2007, 11:08 AM

Wouldn't SB call Ax, Kx or a big pocket? I don't see any reason not to bet the river.

EDIT: Oops, missed the board pairing on the river. Since villain is loose aggressive, though, I think there is a good chance he would call with a bare K.

Bona · #4 08-24-2007, 12:54 PM

I missed a couple of things here also. I still think I would check this through but a bet may indeed be better. I'm just not sure. The ace is a concern but I doubt villain raises with Ax. So not a huge problem.

nightwood · #5 08-24-2007, 01:12 PM

*g*

I say bet. Basically it's 50-50. If has has an ace you lose, if he has a king you win (if he had AK an aggressive player would 3bet turn). Betting adds fold equity.

LoNeLyAcEs · #6 08-24-2007, 01:16 PM

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*g*

I say bet. Basically it's 50-50. If has has an ace you lose, if he has a king you win (if he had AK an aggressive player would 3bet turn). Betting adds fold equity.

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fold equity? tell me which better hand would fold here...

check, because i can't come up with a worse hand that will call you here

Dr. Matt · #7 08-24-2007, 08:37 PM

wow what a terrible river. Sorry Aaron, I'd check behind. I can't put him on a hand we beat at this point that isn't low on his list of possible hands.

Aaron W. · #8 08-25-2007, 02:43 AM

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Bad river card?

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Yes.

I checked behind and was surprised to see that I outdrew K9o. I did not include such a weak K in his SB raising range.

marchron · #9 08-25-2007, 11:44 AM

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I did not include such a weak K in his SB raising range.

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Then why did you call with an even weaker one? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Aaron W. · #10 08-25-2007, 11:53 AM

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I did not include such a weak K in his SB raising range.

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Then why did you call with an even weaker one? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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There was a limper and I had position on villain. I'm starting to get a sense that 5:1 preflop is a much better proposition than I used to think. I might be overvaluing hands a little right now, but I'll have to play a while like this to see if I really like it.

I was planning to fold the turn UI because AKx flush draw is a terrible board for me to call down on and I would have waited for another hand to try to get to showdown against him. Peeling the flop with a 4-5 outer was pretty close, but I didn't have reason to think the limper would raise given that he openlimped from the button.