Betting the NLD /w protection, yea or nay?

[garcia1000]

Hey guys, I'm playing in a PLO8 game with $1/$2 blinds. It's 8-handed, and I'm in the big blind. Let's say it's a normal table, what is your default line here?

Effective stacks are $250.

Dealt to BB: [T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]

Preflop: 3 folds, 1 call, cutoff folds, button calls, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop ($8): A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
SB checks, BB...?

Should I bet out or check here? What's the plan for the rest of the hand, if I will be OOP?

[StrikeR300]

Standard = Check/Call Flop. Turn Standard = fold a non-low/non-10 turn to a big bet, bet a 234, fold if you feel you're getting quartered.

[PorkPieHat]

Agreed w/above except for the fold if you feel you're getting quartered part.

Betting flop OOP is rarely good unless this is a very passive table.

[garcia1000]

Thanks guys. Noted and agreed!

[bbartlog]

I agree with check/call most of the time. Exception is if the table is kind of passive, in which case I would bet the hand directly. The flop fit is good enough that I would like to see some money go in; my main worry at a more aggressive table would be getting HU with a hand that raises me on the flop.
Agree that the main cards we want on the turn are the other 234. If no one bet the flop, I would also bet out on any other low card or a ten that gave me trips.

[neverforgetlol]

I disagree that you should check.

23xx on a flop like this is a great place to get money in. this is a great flop for your hand. People who have an ace will give you action, and you have scooping possibilities. You also have to consider the pot at the end, if you make your hand you want to have enough in to stack someone. Therefore you definitely want to bet this flop, and hard.

[TxRedMan]

I disagree with not betting. We've got middle pair and the nut-nut low draw, and there's nine cards in the deck that give us the nut low and two pair, four cards that gives us a wheel wrap, and two cards that give us trips. That's fifteen cards that improve our equity tremendously under normal circumstances, not to mention the other twelve cards that give us the nut low. So with twenty seven ways to improve my hand in a multiway pot, and most of those twenty seven ways usually being implied odds outs as opposed to reverse implied outs (a baby flush draw often gives you nine outs but they can be dead outs) I think this is an ideal spot to build a pot. I dont want to make a PSB here, rather I'd bet half the pot and hope that (and likely achieve this) I could get some dead money in the middle.

-Tex

[GaZaZaZa]

i couldnt agree more with Tx, i think in general this game esepecailly at pot limit is played to passivily. You have 27 cards in the deck that are good for you, chances are if u hit a low, it will be the nut low, not to mention the fact that u have protection with the 4. Also by building a bigger pot not, if u hit a low card on the turn, then u can go ahead and freeroll bluff the turn with a big hand, and if you get a bit fortunate you'll be in a position where you can be freerolling on the turn. ALso there is a small chance that by betting u can just take the pot down there and then. Ofocurse there is always the chance that u might get raised, or run into a significantly bigger hand, but thats why poker is still gambling, and it definatly isnt the most profitiable thing to be doing by avoiding all possible margnial bet and situations, you just miss out on far to much by doing that.

[neverforgetlol]

Yes, PL is all about bet bet bet when you flop decently. Everyone else will just call or fold. Most people are very weak tight in this game. In this hand, you will likely have a couple people stick around with a high hand, meaning the more you bet, the more you make.

good point about freerolling to a bluff gaza, very important in this game. Say the turn makes you the nut low, and the river pairs the board. A pot size bet will really turn up the pressure on your opponents.

[garcia1000]

Thanks guys. I know what to do in the future. It's even better in this hand because an enemy A2 got counterfeited, and if I hit a 2, 3, or 4, I am either freerolling 8 outs or 3/4ing my opponent.