To Every Thing, Turn Turn Turn ($162 FTP)

$162 55K G'teed on FTP

This hand got interesting on the turn, and was actually similar to my WSOP ME bustout hand where I hit an open ender on the turn. This was different though because I think there's a good chance I'm ahead when it gets there.

Jay_Fiedler is the Villain in this hand. Not sure if he's known or not, but he was also next to me in a Stars $109 FO, so I thought some of you might know him. My read was that he was pretty TAG and doesn't go crazy in spots he doesn't have to (he rarely defended his blinds early in the tourney).

EMP raises to 360 (60/120 blinds), I call in HJ with TT, Jay_Fielder makes it 1160 to go in CO with 9.8K to start the hand, EMP folds and I call (8.1K to start hand).

Flop is 8s5h7s, I check/call 1475. (standard, right?)

Turn is 9d.

Veeeerrrrry interesting.

I check kinda without a plan because I was very close to betting. He shoves 7.1K and I fold.

Now where'd I screw up?

[bugstud]

weird flop bet size by him. I don't really know wtf to do when you turn that card but if you shove what does he really call with?

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weird flop bet size by him

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Agree. At the time it felt more like a bluff-inducer than a weak c-bet, but I have no idea how I came up with that "feeling."

For the record, normally I'd shove turn against most opponents, but I was pretty sure this guy was basically never bluffing with overs on this board and I even assumed he wasn't even value betting QQ+ 100% of the time.

[FGators]

If he's really TAG i'd consider mucking preflop.

Postflop I think its played fine.

He has like AA or KK here every time, given his description.

[Isura]

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For the record, normally I'd shove turn against most opponents, but I was pretty sure this guy was basically never bluffing with overs on this board and I even assumed he wasn't even value betting QQ+ 100% of the time.

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I think this makes checking turn bad IMO. Set or two pair doesn't seem to be in this guys' range. Our semibluff can put JJ-AA to a tough decision, and deny a free card in case he has AK-AQ. I also don't like PF, I would just fold.

[mastr]

ship or fold pre?

[Ansky]

flop is sketchy, huge pot i dont mind just shoving it in.

turn you should open shove to get AA to fold.

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turn you should open shove to get AA to fold.

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That's just silly.

edit: Bad players don't fold AA to a shove because it's AA, and good players won't because they'll realize that I'd never take check/call flop shove turn line with a set or a straight.

[A_PLUS]

His bet looks like a bluff-inducer to me. He left you with pretty much a pot sized bet left behind, right?

The only hands I can imagine that you beat are maybe AJ-AKs. Maybe he finds a fold with QQ if you push, but I wouldn't count on it. If we aren't planning on calling a turn bet, why not just c/r the flop? All calling does is give 2 OCs a free shot to draw out. It is tough with only a PSB left after the call, this isn't a small pot.