A very interesting spot-- 50nl

ssdex · #1 08-20-2007, 02:09 PM

Ok, so Villain is 21/19/6 over a pretty substantial sample--- no run ins with him really until the current session--- he has either 4bet shoved or folded to all my 3bets until this one. I think villain took a really weird line in this hand--- I also think he would float the flop with pairs under Q's and I can't see him shoving something Like AQ here, I thought it was a pretty good spot to double barrell--- but who knows, is anyone folding as played? discuss plz

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($31.75)
CO ($109.65)
Button ($47.70)
Hero ($75.90)
BB ($48.70)
UTG ($82.65)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, CO raises to $2, 1 fold, Hero raises to $6.5, 1 fold, CO calls $4.50.

Flop: ($13.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $11, CO calls $11.

Turn: ($35.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $28, CO raises to $92.15, Hero calls....?

corsakh · #2 08-20-2007, 02:15 PM

Dont bluff turn. Sometimes you see 66 here, but thats the only thing I can think of you beat.

ssdex · #3 08-20-2007, 02:18 PM

its not really a bluff--- its a wet board, I expect him to have draws here with some frequency--- I also expect him to repop flop with a set or AQ.... his line makes me think this is a really good spot to double barrell--- i mean this is not a terrible flop for us

corsakh · #4 08-20-2007, 02:19 PM

You don't have a hand to protect. You can only bet here is you intend to call a shove.

suited77 · #5 08-20-2007, 05:20 PM

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You don't have a hand to protect. You can only bet here is you intend to call a shove.

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ssdex · #6 08-20-2007, 05:30 PM

I think that floating and position are something a lot of people in this forum neglect or don't think is "as applicable" a concept as it is as msnl and higher---- however, villains that play these sort of styles are very privvy to these concepts and practice them more often then not---- since we have a history and a lot of action--- if villain is just flatting my 3bet with position, then he is going to float the flop wider then what people in this forum will give him credit for---- and even though he is aggressive---- he may not get frisky with draws in this spot for 150bb stacks---- although id expect a raise from AQ or a set

so during the hand I was under the impression that villain could float this flop pretty wide--- b/c my 3betting range is wider then most and he knows this---

b/c i considered his floating range here to be fairly wide--- I led, b/c I have more fold equity in leading then I do in c/r--- I really don't want villain to come along and if he called a 3bet with something like qj suited in position then i want him to dump it on the turn--- along with draws and midpairs--- both of which im ahead of

I think villain is perfectly capable of waiting until the turn to push his draw--- although all of us recognize this as pretty bad--- its hard to make urself make a big reraise with a bare flush draw on the flop in a 3bet pot

we all know a turn crai is a really strong line--- so does he---- so he may be shoving a draw here assuming he has some Fold equity by the strength of the line he chose to take

im not saying hes doing this with great frequency---- but my guess was he was doing it much larger then 1/4th the time--- i would say somewhere around 30% just b/c his line on that board doesn't make a lot of sense.

ssdex · #7 08-20-2007, 02:19 PM

what about As Xs/ any combo draw that we now have decent equity against with one card to go?

also if I check turn--- I pretty much have to fold if he bets--- letting the weaker part of his range push me off the best hand.

Holdem_Hussl4 · #8 08-20-2007, 02:21 PM

I agree, I check the turn here. Why are we betting the turn? I really dont see what he raises and calls a 4bet with pf that doesnt have us crushed.

corsakh · #9 08-20-2007, 02:21 PM

I really don't understand.. Are you leveling? Why would a combo draw flat the flop and then push on the turn with one card to go when their equity is at ground zero and you don't look like you are folding [censored]?

Holdem_Hussl4 · #10 08-20-2007, 02:23 PM

It is unlikely he has any draw but aks. I don't think he does that with aks. My guess is he has QQ+