Boat vs nit - fold?

[HeheOkok]

Villain is playing 17/12/2.5ish. No real history between the two of us. Seems to be a good, aggressive nit. He should see me as pretty laggy, aggressive.

Fwiw, villain thinks for a while on the flop. Calls quickly on the turn and pushes the river fairly quickly.


Prima Poker skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $10/$20
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $4735.00
UTG+1: $7267.00
CO: $727.00
Button: $3970.00
SB: $4343.00
HERO: $4444.00

Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
4 folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $60</font>, HERO calls.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($130, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $140</font>, <font color="#cc0000">HERO raises to $425</font>, SB calls.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($980, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">HERO bets $715</font>, SB calls.

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($2410, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB is all-in $3143</font>


hero ?

[aislephive]

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Should post this in BBV?

[HeheOkok]

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hero ?

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Should post this in BBV?

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Guess that means that I should call, so what do you put him on? I would like some analysis. No instacall or move down [censored].

I don't think he would EVER play a flushdraw like this.
I DO think he thinks I have a flushdraw.

[aislephive]

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hero ?

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Should post this in BBV?

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Guess that means that I should call, so what do you put him on? I would like some analysis. No instacall or move down [censored].

I don't think he would EVER play a flushdraw like this.
I DO think he thinks I have a flushdraw.

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If he thinks you would even consider folding a boat here, let alone a flush, this is a great spot to bluff. He can also put you on a flush and value shove a strong flush. He could have missed a draw and made a desperate bluff attempt, etc. It's blind on blind here as well which widens ranges considerably. You shouldn't even consider folding this, besides 17/12 is nitty but it's not like he is some ultranit, you even said he is aggressive / good. Just get the money in here and don't think twice about it.

[HeheOkok]

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hero ?

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Should post this in BBV?

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Guess that means that I should call, so what do you put him on? I would like some analysis. No instacall or move down [censored].

I don't think he would EVER play a flushdraw like this.
I DO think he thinks I have a flushdraw.

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If he thinks you would even consider folding a boat here, let alone a flush, this is a great spot to bluff. He can also put you on a flush and value shove a strong flush. He could have missed a draw and made a desperate bluff attempt, etc. It's blind on blind here as well which widens ranges considerably. You shouldn't even consider folding this, besides 17/12 is nitty but it's not like he is some ultranit, you even said he is aggressive / good. Just get the money in here and don't think twice about it.

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I'm sorry, but you are just way way off in everything you're writing.

Missed draw? What draw missed?

17/12 not ultranitty?

A 17/12 floating two streets OOP and overbet-shoving when all draws hit because he thinks he might get me to fold a full house AND/OR get me to call an overbet on a paired board with a lower flush than his presumed nut flush?

Blinds vs blind so he could have a wide range calling my flop RR and pot bet on the turn?

[tcorbin16]

if he has QQ so be it... snap call man.

[BDub1]

This, for me is instacall. What, 66 and QQ beat you, the 3rd fricking nuts, and you are contemplating laying this down? You really think that he puts you on the 64? C'mon, he thinks you either made a flush or have a high pair, and he has the nut flush or air. Call his mofo a$$ and shout SHIP IT!

[FabledHero]

Almost everytime I see someone just shove when a flush hits they pretty much have a boat. The most likely holding he has here is QQ imo, mb 66, and possibly the nut flush. He has one of those 3 hands or complete air, the latter isn't likely.

[FabledHero]

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Almost everytime I see someone just shove when a flush hits they pretty much have a boat. The most likely holding he has here is QQ imo, mb 66, and possibly the nut flush. He has one of those 3 hands or complete air, the latter isn't likely.

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[Chaoslord]

how can u even consider folding this?
as agressive as these games are today theres almost no situation where folding a fullhouse for 100bb is good poker.

if he has QQ or 66 why would he openshove if he puts on a strong hand, why not c/r a-i? i think his most likely hand here is Qhxh and he hopes u pay off with a 4.

if he had u beat (which is what i assume since u post this no-brainer call here) tough luck man, but dont question your play this is a snapcall for every good player