The River Donkbet

[Benal]

In your experience, what does this river bet usually mean?

1- Please just call, I want a cheap showdown

2- Please raise me suckah

3- Something else

Assume no history between players.

Partypoker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (10 handed)

Hero (t12459)
UTG (t7570)
UTG+1 (t15590)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls t200, UTG+1 calls t200, <font color="red">Hero raises to t800</font>, 7 folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t600.

Flop: (t2100) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, <font color="red">Hero bets t1400</font>, UTG+1 calls t1400.

Turn: (t4900) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG+1 checks, <font color="red">Hero bets t3200</font>, UTG+1 calls t3200.

River (t11300) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="red">UTG+1 bets t200</font>

[runout_mick]

In my experience, it's a weak block.

I usually ignore it and raise to the amount I was going to bet plus his block size unless I have a read otherwise.



Edit: but on this particular hand I agree with Seke, and would have checked behind, so we just call. His river bet still means nothing, but his cold calls disturb me.

[seke2]

Meh. That pot is plenty big already. Personally, I'd be worried enough that Villain has KQ or a flopped set after he C/C'd my flop and turn bets that I'd just call and be happy with the pot size. If he checked on that river, I don't think I'd even have value bet it anyway.

[bestcellar]

It means he wants a cheap showdown. Raise, and if he comes back over the top huffing and puffing with his 77 chasedown, I call and probably grab a gun and shoot the monitor.

[bonds25]

I agree with seke, be happy with the pot as is and if he has you beat then it could have been worse.

[seke2]

[ QUOTE ]
It means he wants a cheap showdown. Raise, and if he comes back over the top huffing and puffing with his 77 chasedown, I call and probably grab a gun and shoot the monitor.

[/ QUOTE ]

Let's pretend Villain checked. Do you put another value/bet in on this river with TPTK after your C/C'd down 2 streets with large bets? I don't. I check behind here. So I'd just call the small bet, not because I think he's trying to buy a cheap showdown, but because I think I'd be happy to have one myself.

[bonds25]

If he checked the river I would check the river too, more harm than good can come from betting the river when you already have yourself a nice pot.

[jtomon]

I think its too cheap to be a please just call bet, if he is any good/tricky at all he is doing this on purpose and will punish you w/ a reraise. Its a good pot to pick up now, if he has you w/ a set, you won't lose anything else, call.

[flopking]

Pot is pretty big already for your holding... his line is unreadable with call, call, c/c, c/c... WTF?

I'd be inclined to call here, but I would give serious consideration to raising if I had 60-75% certainty villian had Kx...

[NoahSD]

No idea what it means, but I don't care--folding's bad and raising's bad, so call.