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Eek. I have to fold here?
This is the first time I've ever posted a hand summary so sorry if this is not correct
-- Hand #45472896-11 at SnG-0009f (No Limit Hold'em Sit and Go) Started at 16/Aug/07 17:50:17 almalik76 is at seat 0 with 1520. dmml10 is at seat 1 with 1410. HERO is at seat 2 with 1330. gaston1041 is at seat 3 with 2050. johnielt29jl is at seat 4 with 1530. chrisnj10 is at seat 5 with 2360. hill__38 is at seat 6 with 1350. scb mo is at seat 7 with 290. broker12345 is at seat 8 with 1410. 1 Hot Mama is at seat 9 with 1750. The button is at seat 2. gaston1041 posts the small blind of 15. johnielt29jl posts the big blind of 30. almalik76: -- -- dmml10: -- -- HERO: Qc Qh gaston1041: -- -- johnielt29jl: -- -- chrisnj10: -- -- hill__38: -- -- scb mo: -- -- broker12345: -- -- 1 Hot Mama: -- -- Pre-flop: chrisnj10 folds. hill__38 folds. scb mo calls. broker12345 calls. 1 Hot Mama calls. almalik76 raises to 195. dmml10 calls. HERO calls. gaston1041 folds. johnielt29jl calls. scb mo folds. broker12345 calls. 1 Hot Mama folds. Flop (board: 2h Ts 3d): johnielt29jl checks. broker12345 goes all-in for 1215. almalik76 calls. dmml10 folds. HERO folds. johnielt29jl folds. Straight away I thought these guys both had overpairs. In fact I was pretty confident. So even if one had jacks, I had queens, so the other guy had at least kings? This is a fold? Tournament all-in showdown -- players show: White.. <font color="white"> almalik76 shows Jh Js. broker12345 shows Jc Jd. Turn (board: 2h Ts 3d 2s): (no action in this round) River (board: 2h Ts 3d 2s Kd): (no action in this round) Showdown: almalik76 has Jh Js 2h 2s Kd: two pair, jacks and deuces. broker12345 has Jc Jd 2h 2s Kd: two pair, jacks and deuces. </font> Eek!!! |
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Re: Eek. I have to fold here?
It depends on the stakes really, if these are small stakes I'll call since it's an unconnected low rainbow flop. Sometimes the first all-in will have 88/99 and try to push out AK/AQ that didn't hit. If it's a $5 sng I think I'm good a lot of the time but in a $30 I'll probably fold as well.
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Re: Eek. I have to fold here?
That post is fairly shocking.
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Re: Eek. I have to fold here?
RAISE preflop
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Re: Eek. I have to fold here?
Er...don't call preflop, raise it big.
[ QUOTE ] Straight away I thought these guys both had overpairs. In fact I was pretty confident. So even if one had jacks, I had queens, so the other guy had at least kings? [/ QUOTE ] That's like looking for monsters under your bed. You can't always put other players on hands better than yours straightaway. Since you didn't raise preflop to drive out crap hands, they could have anything. They could've hit 2 pair on the flop for all you know, and they both had you covered so if you didn't want to risk all your chips the only thing you can do is fold. |
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Re: Eek. I have to fold here?
I think that the tendencies of the players are what's important. As mentioned above, they could've had a variety of things, and I'd add that they could have something that didn't have you beat. I think it's best to go by what you've seen them do before. To my mind, an all-in bet is usually pretty convincing as an indicator that they really have it, but if you have evidence of bluffing or overvaluing, that's different. It seems to me that you're always going to have a damned-if-I-do/damned-if-I-don't scenario and the only way to help lessen the blow and the hopelessness is to have info on players. Even then, there will always be instances of deciding to call b/c you don't want to be paranoid to the point of giving up pots and finding that they have it, and then making a laydown and either finding out they don't have it or having to wonder. And then that awful Kenny Rogers song goes off in your head: "you've got to know when to hold em/ know when to fold em." The other day, I busted out of a fake money Stars tournament betting my trip Queens into Jacks full of Queens (she had pocket Jacks with one Jack on the board--two Queens on board) and the only reason I regret it is that, looking back, I really know that I hadn't seen that player make loose, reckless bets before--she'd been fairly tight. Otherwise, I'd just say, that's poker--I've seen plenty of pros lose a big hand to a bigger hand, and they just say "that's life." They didn't have a good reason to be certain they were beat.
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Re: Eek. I have to fold here?
Just a note that someone else actually raised pre-flop - and it was a big one, 6.5 X BB, and he called their raise.
Are you guys saying a re-raise is in order here preflop? I don't think so, especially following a larger than average raise from an earlier seated player... |
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Re: Eek. I have to fold here?
[ QUOTE ]
Just a note that someone else actually raised pre-flop - and it was a big one, 6.5 X BB, and he called their raise. Are you guys saying a re-raise is in order here preflop? I don't think so, especially following a larger than average raise from an earlier seated player... [/ QUOTE ] First off, it wasn't larger than average, it was a pot-sized raise, which is standard. Second, I'm re-raising here 100% of the time in these small stakes SNG's. You have to play your big hands agressively because of the fast moving blinds and you definitely do not want to be playing this pot 5-ways! Re-raise to isolate the original PFR and shove most flops that don't contain a K or A. |
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Re: Eek. I have to fold here?
Huh? I think you've misunderstood something.
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