$27 88 limp in 25/50

beserious · #1 08-16-2007, 05:37 PM

I feel like I'm often ahead here, but calling or raising the flop bet both seem horrible ... also, is there even much point in limping pf here if I'm pretty much just playing for set value (and betting if the flop is nice and it checks to me)? Noone has shown much strength, and there is a decent chance I won't get paid off even if I hit a set.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

SB (t1665)
BB (t1165)
UTG (t1405)
UTG+1 (t3495)
MP1 (t1705)
MP2 (t955)
Hero (t1440)
Button (t1670)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls t50, 3 folds, Hero calls t50, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t200) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets t200, Hero folds, SB folds, BB folds.

Final Pot: t400

Daddys_Visa · #2 08-16-2007, 05:50 PM

I think preflop a case can be made for calling, raising OR folding. If the limper is a good player I would be fold. If they are weak, I raise to 200 and fire 250 CB on the flop. Calling preflop is not really a mistake, but is least attractive option IMO because it will be 4-way (which is horrible for 88) and there is no preflop action to suggest that you could stack someone if you hit your set.

raising > folding > calling.

splitzonthur · #3 08-16-2007, 05:56 PM

I don't understand the limping, why do you want the SB and BB to come a long for the ride with their potential overcards? Raise to 150pf, you may win the pot outright and will be the aggressor with position on the flop. I think limping and folding are both horrible compared to raising.

chuckpalms04 · #4 08-16-2007, 05:59 PM

limp is normal, if you've got a read on utg then a raise would be ok otherwise just shut it down.

splitzonthur · #5 08-16-2007, 06:02 PM

So your saying 88 plays better 4 ways than 2 ways? That's "normal"?

simonpoker · #6 08-16-2007, 06:13 PM

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So your saying 88 plays better 4 ways than 2 ways? That's "normal"?

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88 doesn't have much of an equity against UTG anyways unless it hits trips and I prefer multiway pot when I hit my trips(since thats what I'm going for if I limp).

beserious · #7 08-16-2007, 06:02 PM

The chance of winning the pot outright with a raise to 150 is close to zero, I'd need to raise to like 200 or 250 pf and I don't necc. want to build a huge pot here with 88 b/c once I c-bet the flop I've commited a big portion of my stack already.

splitzonthur · #8 08-16-2007, 06:12 PM

There's nothing wrong with committing a big portion of your stack when you have an edge. I agree with the raising to 200-250. But what I don't understand, is how calling to make it a 4-way pot is better than raising to make it heads up.

Sober · #9 08-16-2007, 06:25 PM

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There's nothing wrong with committing a big portion of your stack when you have an edge. I agree with the raising to 200-250. But what I don't understand, is how calling to make it a 4-way pot is better than raising to make it heads up.

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There's a huge problem with it when your edge is very minimal, and the chips in the pot aren't worth much. Ok, so you bet 250. You're called and overcards hit, which they will 50% of the time. Throw in a cbet (~300 is proper if headsup), and now you've invested a little over 1/3rd your stack, and you have to let it go when raised or if pf caller donkbets into you.

Limping 22-JJ is completely standard up to 25/50, unless it's open on the button, where I'll standard raise knowing that if I'm called, a cbet doesn't commit me and will work 2/3 the time.

You limp to play for set value. You also don't care if it's 4-handed, because there's a great chance that when you do hit your set, at least one of the other players has a hand they like enough to give you their stack.

Master_Shake · #10 08-16-2007, 08:13 PM

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There's nothing wrong with committing a big portion of your stack when you have an edge. I agree with the raising to 200-250. But what I don't understand, is how calling to make it a 4-way pot is better than raising to make it heads up.

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Im new to sit n goes but from my understanding: the chips that you stand to win from taking a risk (raising mid-low PP's)with low blind levels are worth less than the chips you save. please correct me if im wrong.