Iso push or flat call with 77 in EP facing shorties shove?

Hoop Addict · #1 08-16-2007, 03:10 AM

$70 live tourney, 60 runners, down to about 27 or 28... table of 9.

Just after the 1st break, blinds at 200/400. I'm UTG+1 with 77. Lagish UTG shoves his shortstack for about 1500 total. I have ~9500 & would be a top 5 stack currently.

My table is generally passive, and I've only shown down strength, while UTG is fresh new to the table (I know he's laggy from previous & online experience with him). All other stacks at the table are between 3K and 6K with SB has 4600 and the BB (who is very tight) has about 4K.

Am I calling the 1500 or just iso-shoving? If I call 1500, would I be committed to calling, say a 5K stack if they push over me?

levAA · #2 08-16-2007, 04:24 AM

looks like a push or fold to me.

as you discribed the table as passive and the OR as lag it's a push i think (though i hate these decisions in early position).

JammyDodga · #3 08-16-2007, 04:43 AM

I think I fold, its not very often you are better than a coin flip to OR here, and sometimes well behind. So by pushing you are putting most of your stack at risk and all you win is a 55:45 coinflip (with some dead money from the blinds)

So even if everyone does fold, you are only probably +EV 300 chips or so. Including the risk of someone calling you who has you dominated - which is fairly high from this position - makes it -ev i think.

levAA · #4 08-16-2007, 04:55 AM

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I think I fold, its not very often you are better than a coin flip to OR here, and sometimes well behind. So by pushing you are putting most of your stack at risk and all you win is a 55:45 coinflip (with some dead money from the blinds)

So even if everyone does fold, you are only probably +EV 300 chips or so. Including the risk of someone calling you who has you dominated - which is fairly high from this position - makes it -ev i think.

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yes you are right - just did the math with SNGW.

fold

lijkie · #5 08-16-2007, 05:08 AM

It looks to me like an allin bet at first, but then again do you wanna risk a lot of chips on 77 and this small pot?!?

If the table is passive why not just call the allin and hope they all see your call as a stenghty call and fold, but if you get raised big i'll just fold the hand immediatly. So I'd say what do you "feel" you should do at this live table...........

JammyDodga · #6 08-16-2007, 05:20 AM

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If the table is passive why not just call the allin and hope they all see your call as a stenghty call and fold, but if you get raised big i'll just fold the hand immediatly. So I'd say what do you "feel" you should do at this live table...........

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This is appalling advice. Firstly, its highly likely the BB will come along for the ride, and 77 three ways isnt very good.

Secondly, you want to put a big chunk of you stack at risk for the chance of coinflipping at best, and then fold to a re-raise? Jees, I want to play with you if you are going to start giving you chips away for free like this.

Depending on your read, if the table was very tight I could see an all in, but a flat call is bad. Push or fold and fold is better.