Bet/fold on the river

[fmsr]

Is this a spot to bet/fold the river against a 78/30/0.6 villain?

Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $2/$4
5 players
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Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises</font>, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6SB, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, Button folds, SB calls.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5BB, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, SB calls.

River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (7BB, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises</font>, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to SB.

Results:
Final pot: 9BB

[yourface]

anyone like a flop call, planning on raising a safe turn?
button isn't going to have many hands we want to push out here but he can make some incorrect peels with backdoor draws or PPs

[numbnuts007]

I'd call the river.

[TheHip41]

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I'd call the river.

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you will not be ahead here 1-10 times.

it's over

you beat 2 aces, and that's about it.

all gutshot + pair draws got there on the river.

I think this is a pretty easy river fold, and I never fold.

[Riku]

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flop call, planning on raising a safe turn

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[sethypooh21]

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flop call, planning on raising any turn

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[midnightpulp]

I like a flop call, planning to raise the turn on any card.

A flop call might invite the Button to peel with something like KHQX or other weak holdings.

The hard thing is assessing what a safe card is, which is why I like raising no matter what falls on the turn. If you get 3 bet, then you can safely fold (If the SB is a known LAG, then you should call down in that instance).

On this particular river, I think you should call down. Some players will take shots on a board like this. Also, a typical player will usually bet out his straight on a board like this, fearing you'll just check it down.

[yourface]

maybe call turn if it puts up 4 to a wheel?

[Robin Foolz]

villain is getting a damn good price to bluff this, or to fold out a better hand. we're getting huge odds here... we really ought to know for sure that this guy doesn't [censored] around in this spot in order for us to fold this.

if we have no read here because we haven't been paying attention or because we haven't gotten a chance to, i suggest we call to see what he has (in order to start getting reads) and because calling here this time blind is hardly a mistake in limit. it's only a measurable mistake when you start calling here all the time in this spot vs this opponent knowing he doesn't [censored] around.

[sethypooh21]

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villain is getting a damn good price to bluff this, or to fold out a better hand. we're getting huge odds here... we really ought to know for sure that this guy doesn't [censored] around in this spot in order for us to fold this.

if we have no read here because we haven't been paying attention or because we haven't gotten a chance to, i suggest we call to see what he has (in order to start getting reads) and because calling here this time blind is hardly a mistake in limit. it's only a measurable mistake when you start calling here all the time in this spot vs this opponent knowing he doesn't [censored] around.

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:nodding in agreement:

I've been shown everything from JJ to KQ to AA in this spot, even from stupidly passive players.