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Old 08-09-2007, 11:36 AM
gobbledygeek gobbledygeek is offline
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Default 2/4 B&M - KQ on K high flop runs into aggression

2/4 B&M, 10 handed, loose & passive

Preflop (10 players): Hero is UTG+2 with K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG+1 limps, Hero raises, CO coldcalls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls

Flop (5 players, 10 SB): K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
checked to Hero who bets, CO raises, others fold, Hero 3bets, CO caps, Hero calls

Turn (2 players, 9 BB): 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Hero...

CO is decent player at this table so he's not coldcalling preflop with junk. He loves to raise a preflop raiser's c-bet to see if they actually have anything; if 3bet he'll often release his hand right then and there. His cap tells me he actually does have something or else he's aggresively playing his flush/straight draw (which he'll also do). On the turn I can only hope he is on a flush/straight draw or I've counterfeited his K8 (but I don't seem him coldcalling preflop with that hand) or perhaps he's got another pocket smaller than Kings. Is turn a bet/fold? Check/fold? Call down?

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Old 08-09-2007, 11:46 AM
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Default Re: 2/4 B&M - KQ on K high flop runs into aggression

Call down. It's possible he has 8-8 and has you destroyed but I was thinking his cold call could mean J-J or 10-10 as well.

I'd c/c the rest of the way.
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Old 08-09-2007, 12:24 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 B&M - KQ on K high flop runs into aggression

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I'd c/c the rest of the way.

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Old 08-09-2007, 12:36 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 B&M - KQ on K high flop runs into aggression

I agree, c/c it down. If he checks the turn I might consider bet/fold, we don't want to give a free card here.
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Old 08-09-2007, 12:51 PM
Wolfram Wolfram is offline
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Default Re: 2/4 B&M - KQ on K high flop runs into aggression

I have a question about preflop.

Is it really a good idea to be raising an utg limper in utg+1 with KQo on a full table?
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Old 08-09-2007, 02:14 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 B&M - KQ on K high flop runs into aggression

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I have a question about preflop.

Is it really a good idea to be raising an utg limper in utg+1 with KQo on a full table?

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uhhh...no, it's not a good idea. That's why you have to bet the turn here. Villain probably has you on AK at worst, which is why you fold to a turn raise. Your other less desirable option is to check/fold to a turn bet. Check/calling down is a sure loser...
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Old 08-09-2007, 12:33 PM
Gap23Razor Gap23Razor is offline
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Default Re: 2/4 B&M - KQ on K high flop runs into aggression

your implied odds look to be at least 5.5 to 1 (that is you figure to put in 2 more bb to complete the hand while there are 9 bb in the pot now), if you improve you could check-raise though and get 6.5 to 1 probably....you have 4 good outs (K or 9) or around 9% chance of improving...so it seems like you don't have the implied odd for drawing...

thus it looks like you need to figure out if you are ahead right now and CO is bluffing...from what you said already i doubt it...CO seems to be playing fast to protect a made hand against a flush draw -- he probably has a set...the turn 9 counterfeits a K8 two pair to a split pot for you, but do you think CO would cold call K8s preflop? the safe play is to fold...i think the truely skilled player knows well enough if this is the time to play on in this marginal situation...

i don't know what to do, so i would fold [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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Old 08-09-2007, 12:53 PM
blackasthma blackasthma is offline
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Default Re: 2/4 B&M - KQ on K high flop runs into aggression

you gotta bet this turn. If he raises, you can fold. Calling down is throwing away money.
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Old 08-09-2007, 01:50 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 B&M - KQ on K high flop runs into aggression

betting the turn is terrible
i personally wouldn't 3bet the flop
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Old 08-09-2007, 02:05 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 B&M - KQ on K high flop runs into aggression

Is this the type of bettor that caps the flop with a set or caps with a big draw? I like to raise the turn in position here if I have a set... I do not bet the turn... I c/c if I think he's got a big draw like the QcJc or Ac9c but fold if I think it's a set...
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