Limit books

[Captain Ace]

In todays micro/small stakes limit holdem games, how relevant are books like SSHE by ed miller? I have read through it and have not found games as described. Some of the postflop plays seem to not work as well anymore. I also have Holdem Poker which I liked but the hand groupings seem to contradict SSHE, which one should I follow?

Also, I am thinking of ordering the Stox book and HPfAP, once I get some more playing experience in. Out of those two which would be better for the .50/1-1/2 6max online player and 3-6 live player?

[Gonso]

SSHE is still the best resource for micro limit games. I haven't finished the Stox book just yet (so much reading to catch up on, esp with LHE), but I've read enough to be sure you'll still find SSHE more useful at those limits.

I don't really see a need for HPFAP right at the moment.

You might want to consider Ed Miller's DVD set, which is more expensive of course.

Of course there's the micro LHE forum here also...

[Montrealcorp]

sshe is still find till u reach 1/2 on pokerstars .
i think(.25c/.50c its still ok on pokerstars for my part)at .50c/1$ it start to be a mix(50/50% of table) of SSHE and HPFAP.
at 1$ and up its more toward HPFAP then SSHE as i see it !

[Captain Ace]

So if Im going to mainly be playing .50/1-1/2 6max online I should concentrate more on HPFAP? If so at what point would the Stox book come into play? Thanks for the quick replies!

[Wada]

Read TOP first. Then read SSHE and Stox's book. Then read TOP again to merge SSHE and Stox's concepts together to develop a 6 max game. Stox's book is excellent for 6 max but more towards tougher games. The .5/1 through 3/6 games wont be tough like the higher limit games.

SSHE will help with 6 max but Stox will help refine your skills, especially with blind battles and blind stealing.

[Montrealcorp]

wada ,im maybe dumb but..i did it....my first poker book was top and trust me...today now that i know,i wish i had red sshe firstthen top or stox doesnt matter but sshe first for sure...

too much stuff on top thats seem really easy but when u think about it its really deep....too deep to get full grasp of it until u have some food to chew on!!

i would even say with all i know(wich of course isnt that great but still not near nothing as well),i would say ITH first no question ask then SSHE then top or w/e book like TPFAP,

[PokrLikeItsProse]

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In todays micro/small stakes limit holdem games, how relevant are books like SSHE by ed miller? I have read through it and have not found games as described. Some of the postflop plays seem to not work as well anymore. I also have Holdem Poker which I liked but the hand groupings seem to contradict SSHE, which one should I follow?


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If you're thinking in terms of which starting hand charts to follow, then you lack the thoughtfulness to adjust the advice SSHE to table conditions that vary from the loose-passive template that the book assumes.

This isn't robot poker, where you follow one set of instructions for a particular limit then shift gears to a different set of instructions when you change limits and a third set for a higher range of limits. How you play should be tied to the type of players at the table and not the dollar size of each bet.

[Adman]

SSHE is the best book on limit hold 'em ever written. There is no other book even in the same ball park. Admittedly the games have changed since it was written but if you really understand the concepts contained within, adapting should not be difficult.

The Stox book is great but I suspect most people here (I could be wrong about this) are not playing in the games Stox is writing about; the super aggressive shorthanded high stakes games.

As for this notion that all the limit hold 'em players on the internet are now super competent and the games are almost unbeatable, I disagree. It might be like that for Americans who only have the choice of playing at Stars or Full Tilt which are the worst rock gardens on the internet but I can assure you that for non Americans, there are still sites on the net where fish abound. Admittedly, todays fish are not the same as the weak passive calling stations Ed Miller wrote about. Now they tend to be over aggressive maniacs because they have heard that aggressive play is winning play however they are aggressive in the wrong spots and they still don't know how to lay down a hand when they are beat. The games are far from unbeatable, tougher and higher variance, yes, but not unbeatable.