General set advice searched

[recallme]

In my last 5k hands i run pretty cold not getting any action on my strong hands (set or better)

I have 2 examples. and i would like to know how you play it against 2 different Villains.

1. Villain is Vpip: 20-24 and PFR: 13-20 and AF: 3 (obviously pretty decent)
and the other one is unknown.
1.
Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $10/$20
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $3456
CO: $2362.50
Button: $1970
SB: $350
hero: $2087

Pre-flop: (5 players) hero is BB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $70</font>, 3 folds, hero calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($150, 2 players)

Board is drawy, we are OOP vs preflopraiser.


2.

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $10/$20
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $3456
CO: $2362.50
Button: $1970
SB: $350
hero: $2087

Pre-flop: (5 players) hero is BB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $70</font>, 3 folds, hero calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($150, 2 players)

Board is dry, but hit his range pretty often.

I recently prefer the c/r line in the first example for both my draws and my strong hands, because i can catch Villains cbets here pretty good. If called i will lead turn for 3/5 to 3/4 of the pot with both.
Which lines do you prefer.

[luegofuego]

waaaaait for it, waaaaaaaaait for it....



















it depends.

b/3b, b/c, c/r and c/c are all viable on both boards depending on the villain and ur history. like if u have checkcalled and checkfolded to second barrels a lot in the past u can c/c and c/rai, or if u have gotten out of line with draws in the past u can c/r etc. it all depends what villain thinks u wont do with a set.

[Black winter day]

Mostly a big c/r in hand 1, cause i do it with draws as well and on this board it's very likely i have a draw.

Hand 2 really depends on a villain.If he is a passive station, i obviously lead.If he is a LAG, i might check-call and lead turn, almost always looks fishy to them and they raise air.Against a standard TAG really depends on my history against him...All lines are viable.

And if you don't get action, it's because they probably missed the flop...

[Scipio]

In example one i think it´s an easy checkraise.We can checkraise our draws, too, because there aren´t many draws in our range. AQss, AJss, perhaps KQss/QJss.With this draws we have nice equity against his pushing/callingrange.


In example two villain often has a gutshot.
On a A92r Board i would check/call the flop and checkraise the turn. AT5r is close and it depends on your other lines and your range. What is your coldcalling range?

22-JJ? Does villain know that you are a good player?
As a default line i think i check/raise this flop because villain can only put us on 55/TT or a bluff.

[pp262]

In a vacuum for the first one I mix it up between bet/3bet and checkraise. In the 2nd one I like c/c lead turn.

It's very opponent sepecific though and as luegofuego has said you have to mix it up based on image and history.

[Hensa]

There is always something awkward to C/R draws. What do we do if he pushs ? what do we do when he calls and turn is blank ( I guess his flop-call is not good, but it happens )

[d2themfi]

I mean it really doesnt matter whether you try to c/r or b/3b the flop or occasionally just c/c. What matters is how u play other hands on similar boards. What do you do with draws on the first hand? What do you do with say aj on the second hand? Im not asking you to state what you do, but what im saying is that an opponent shouldnt be able to tell the difference when you have a draw and when you have a set, or when you have top pair medium kicker, or a set. With all these types of hands, you should theoretically have all the ricks up ur sleeve. WIth a draw you should be able to c/r, b/3b, and c/c, and the same with a set, middle pair, and top pair. Now obv you dont want to be c/r and b/3b with middle pair and top pair very often, but to be truely unexploitable you would have to do it once in a while. And while it may be -Ev, for the metagame it is +++EV for sure. ANd Im sure at 10-20 there is a lot of metagame situations.