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#1
08-08-2007, 05:45 AM
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200NL - Two pair gets 3bet on the turn, standard fold or weak?
Villain in this hand is 19/15/infinity over like 40 hands, I haven't seen him get out of line yet. I feel like his 3-betting range is crushing me, and his bet sizing makes it look like he definitely wants a call. Still though, I thought I should get some feedback on the hand, because it does feel a bit weak. Does anyone advocate taking a different line at any point? I know my turn raise is small, but I'm not really afraid of any draws and I want to keep him in with strong one-pair hands.
Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter) SB: $245.55 Hero (BB): $320.20 UTG: $273.25 CO: $85.05 BTN: $239.80 Preflop: Hero is dealt 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 Players) 3 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $6.00</font>, Hero calls $4.00 Flop: ($12) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">SB bets $10.00</font>, Hero calls $10.00 Turn: ($32) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">SB bets $23.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $60.00</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $140.00</font>, Hero folds Uncalled bet of $80.00 returned to SB Pot Size: $152.00 ($3 Rake) 
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#2
08-08-2007, 05:50 AM
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Re: 200NL - Two pair gets 3bet on the turn, standard fold or weak?
fold pf
then fold the flop turn fold looks good
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#4
08-08-2007, 06:19 AM
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Re: 200NL - Two pair gets 3bet on the turn, standard fold or weak?
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fold pf then fold the flop turn fold looks good [/ QUOTE ] You think the preflop call is bad getting 2:1 in position in a blind battle where even a tight player will be opening a wide range of hands? Also, is the flop call that bad given that I have a pair and he is probably cbetting here with a lot of hands I beat? This is a bad board to double barrel bluff so I don't expect him to bet the turn unless he has me beat, so I think I can show my hand down cheaply a lot.
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#5
08-08-2007, 06:43 AM
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Re: 200NL - Two pair gets 3bet on the turn, standard fold or weak?
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You think the preflop call is bad getting 2:1 in position in a blind battle where even a tight player will be opening a wide range of hands? [/ QUOTE ] Yes. If you want a blind battle, reraise PF. Otherwise, fold. I'm folding A7s there, much less K7s. 2:1 is great and all in theory, but you aren't all in. What hands are you hoping to make? Ks with 7 kicker? 7 high flop? Flush doesn't come enough times for this to be worth it. You got 2 pair and folded (rightfully), that right there should tell you that playing K7 probably ain't all it's made out to be. Fold every street as played.
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#6
08-08-2007, 06:49 AM
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Re: 200NL - Two pair gets 3bet on the turn, standard fold or weak?
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This is a bad board to double barrel bluff so I don't expect him to bet the turn unless he has me beat, so I think I can show my hand down cheaply a lot. [/ QUOTE ] So what happened to your plan [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] I'd have to throw this away unless you get a read he think TPTK is the nuts here ...
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#7
08-08-2007, 06:52 AM
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Re: 200NL - Two pair gets 3bet on the turn, standard fold or weak?
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[ QUOTE ] This is a bad board to double barrel bluff so I don't expect him to bet the turn unless he has me beat, so I think I can show my hand down cheaply a lot. [/ QUOTE ] So what happened to your plan [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] I improved and now I'm beating a lot of his range that bets the turn. Obviously I'm pitching the hand on the turn if I don't catch a K or 7 and he bets again.
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#8
08-08-2007, 07:01 AM
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Re: 200NL - Two pair gets 3bet on the turn, standard fold or weak?
when someone with these stats as him raises preflop, this is a def call preflop - think of the amount of flops which he misses and you can either pick up on the flop or float and have on the turn - to fold a7s here is crazy - do people really do this? It makes you incredibly predictable and very easy to read for even an average player. That said, I would flop on the flop and to the turn 3bet here, but I think the turn is closer than people are thinking.
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#9
08-08-2007, 07:56 AM
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Re: 200NL - Two pair gets 3bet on the turn, standard fold or weak?
I have to say I'm genuinely surprised at the number of people here advocating folding preflop/on the flop. I didn't even consider that it might be a leak, but obviously I'll have to think about it some more. That being said, for right now I still think preflop and flop are fine.
Someone advocated folding A7s in the BB to a 3xbb SB open, and that just seems crazy to me. Many players are opening in the SB so lightly that A7s is often well ahead of their range, and I just can't see how it can be right to fold a hand that's ahead of your opponent's range when you're getting 2:1 in position. Likewise, I don't see how it can be right to fold a pair, even a weak one, for one bet in position on a fairly safe board like this against an aggressive opponent. It seems like we'll be folding the best hand way too often. But hey, at least everyone agrees with me about the turn fold [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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#10
08-08-2007, 08:12 AM
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Re: 200NL - Two pair gets 3bet on the turn, standard fold or weak?
Even if I may look like a calling station - I'd maybe call that bet and rather prefer to go all-in (after all he has to be afraid of you holding a set or straight).
Possible hands that would be played that way including the re-raise: 77 88 JJ AA T9 AK KJ K8 Adxd QdTd Qd9d 6d5d total air (since your raise wasn't THAT big and indicates some weakness)
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