OOP free card play

[yourface]

4 handed 5/10 game
villain steals a reasonably wide range. mediocre postflop play

villain opens OTB, hero calls with JQo in the BB

flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
hero checks, villain bets, hero raises, villain calls

turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
hero checks,

[PokerSparky]

I'd like this play if you have screw played or sexied him earlier. If not, I'm not a fan. (Even with some history, I don't really like it all that much.) FPS IMO.

[yourface]

I don't think I've ever screwplayed the turn after checkraising the flop. he has likely seen me screwplay someone before though, perhaps he won't pick up on the difference

[yourface]

bonus questions:

what is your range for calling my flop c/r here? assume a LAGTAGish image for me

what do you do with those hands if I bet?

what do you do with them if I check?

[jba]

let's put it this way, if I'm villain you're much more likely to get a free card by c/c flop than this. I would laugh and bet 77 here.

[yourface]

my thinking was that I don't have much if any FE here and I could freeze up a lot of pairs with an unexpected check. a smart player would realize that my line is BS but I don't give many villains that much credit

[detruncate]

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bonus questions:

what is your range for calling my flop c/r here? assume a LAGTAGish image for me

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Ax, Kx, all broadways at least call. It's not out of the question that any of these 3-bet. Gutshots might hope to push out Kx or a pocket pair and/or take a free turn. Kx might hope to push out a better K, though this seems less likely. Or they might think it's for value vs a "laggy" opponent. Ax might raise for value, or might call and make a decision on the turn.

He has a tougher decision with underpairs. Your c/r could easily be a gutshot or a small pair hoping to push out a medium one. I'd be tempted to call JJ/TT/99/88, though I wouldn't like it much. Hopefully I improve or pick up more outs on the turn with JJ/TT.

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what do you do with those hands if I bet?

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Better hands that waited for the turn will obviously raise. Kx probably isn't going anywhere. Gutshots probably find a fold. Pairs might give it up and commence with the self hate for the flop call if they were going to fold the turn anyway.

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what do you do with them if I check?

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I'd check behind Kx. Getting checkraised again would suck and you are probably drawing to 4 outs or less when you're not ahead. Ax bets and makes a decision if you raise again. Gutshots take a free card.

Pairs are tough again. They should probably play this as if against the bottom of your range since they can easily fold to a raise, but given that you're giving up with PPs after you check there's less value in a bet. You do have quite a few outs against them when you're on a gutshot (though we're blocking some if we have JJ/TT). Meh, In the moment you'll probably get a lot of checks out of pairs that made it this far.

In sum, I was going to make a post the other day that said your line was probably worth a shot. You fold some pairs immediately and get a free card on the turn often enough vs hands you'd like one from.

My alternate line is c/c, c/f since we probably get some free turns vs pairs, but we probably get called by them on the river too often to bet the UI.

So the question comes down to how much increasing our fold equity will add to our overall expectation. Suffice it to say that I wouldn't make your line my default, but it's fine to mix it in sometimes in my opinion.

[Carmine]

What's your default play for Ax/Kx on this flop. Does it change according to (x). If there is a history between you two this will affect the hand.

[yourface]

usually c/r sometimes c/c. the bigger the x the more likely I am to c/r

no significant history with this villain

[jba]

are you hoping to get a free card from an A? K?