Million, broadway on monotone flop

LearnedfromTV · #1 08-05-2007, 05:04 PM

Unknown villain, not even stats.

I figure that since I have to pay off a big river bet (do I?), I might as well shove now. Just called flop raise to see safe turn.

One thing I worry about with this line is K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] type stuff checking behind turn.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button (t11175)
Hero (t9275)
BB (t9525)
UTG (t10650)
UTG+1 (t10475)
MP1 (t10750)
MP2 (t8800)
MP3 (t10950)
CO (t8650)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
4 folds, MP3 calls t100, 1 fold, Button calls t100, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t400) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets t300, BB folds, MP3 raises to t1500, Button folds, Hero calls t1200.

Turn: (t3400) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets t2300, Hero raises to t7675,

Mr.WeakTight · #2 08-05-2007, 05:09 PM

odds are that he did not flop a flush. he probably has something like TJ with one of them a diamond. if he did flop a flush then gg you if you push now and a diamond comes. of course if he folds, you don't need to worry about a diamond on the river. but you already don't think he's folding. so why not call now and see if another diamond comes on the river? if it does, you can get away from the hand and you've still got chips.

gobboboy · #3 08-05-2007, 05:11 PM

Fold the turn.

luckychewy · #4 08-05-2007, 05:12 PM

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Fold the turn.

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in the MILLION? i doubt this is correct.

ZJ123 · #5 08-05-2007, 05:21 PM

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Fold the turn.

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meh, i think folding here is pretty weak, i play it as hero did.

gobboboy · #6 08-05-2007, 05:25 PM

I almost said to fold the flop but thought I'd get fought a lot over that. He has a flush here almost always. If he doesn't he has KQ or limped AA/KK.

sinderg · #7 08-05-2007, 08:31 PM

standard stack off i think.

btw i really like the way you played it, not being results oriented.

think you see pair with the jack of dimonds most of the time.

jgunnip · #8 08-08-2007, 04:20 PM

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I almost said to fold the flop but thought I'd get fought a lot over that. He has a flush here almost always. If he doesn't he has KQ or limped AA/KK.

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Gobbo, what exactly about his flop raise gives villan's hand away? the over pot sized raise? Thats some pretty sick soul reading on an unknown.

adanthar · #9 08-08-2007, 06:51 PM

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I almost said to fold the flop but thought I'd get fought a lot over that. He has a flush here almost always. If he doesn't he has KQ or limped AA/KK.

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I do this when I see into his soul, the problem is that never happens

hell, I'd be happier if you made this post if he minraised, at least that'd be such an obvious 'oh god, donk with the nuts' tell

Stumpy · #10 08-10-2007, 01:36 PM

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I almost said to fold the flop but thought I'd get fought a lot over that. He has a flush here almost always. If he doesn't he has KQ or limped AA/KK.
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I would disagree and I think the last comment you said would show that you overvalue some hands in some situations. If he has AA/KK as like 1/5 of his range then this is a fold.

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Gobbo, I don't understand what you mean with your 1/5 comment. You seem to be saying he has AA/KK/KQ or a flush. So AA/KK/KQ would have to be a lot more than 1/5 for this not to be a fold. You're only 75% against those hands, and dead against the flushes. So you'd need them to be 2/3rds of his range.

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I can't see many hands protecting themself on the flop besides KQ that we beat. I know we have a straight etc but his range is super polarized and if we are behind we are drawing dead. We need to be ahead soo often to call him down here. So fold flop I never do it but it's right.

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Gobbo and Shaun,
If the guy checked behind on the turn, would it really occur to you to suggest folding the flop?

Why can't the guy have a flush draw, a pair and a flush draw, or two pair? If the guy limped KQ, why can't he limp KJ,KT, or AT? LFTV completed in the SB and led at the flop. I don't think that's showing insane strength. The raise is a bit big, but it gets him a free turn a lot (as shown) and it might win the pot.