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Old 08-05-2007, 02:13 PM
thedustbustr thedustbustr is offline
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Default worth bluffing river?

not cbetting puts me in a weird turn and river spot.

i guess im betting to beat a flush draw. his turn bet size was very small i dont think he has a set or two pair. probably a weak one pair (not a king) or a draw.

or just call turn?

if he wins with ace high, i did something wrong.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $44.90
BB: $93.45
UTG: $100.00
Hero (BTN): $97.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.50</font>, SB calls $3.00, BB calls $2.50

Flop: ($10.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($10.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">BB bets $4.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $20.00</font>, SB folds, BB calls $16.00

River: ($50.50) 5 (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $40.00</font>
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Old 08-05-2007, 02:18 PM
Nielsio Nielsio is offline
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Default Re: worth bluffing river?

Bet the flop because calling the turn without another heart is gonna be painful and you'll get a free turn-card almost always.
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Old 08-05-2007, 02:21 PM
thedustbustr thedustbustr is offline
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Default Re: worth bluffing river?

as played i would probably fold to a turn bet

i didnt bet the flop because my draw is weak, can be crushed on the turn, and its an ez board for one of the two players to have hit a pair on
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Old 08-05-2007, 02:22 PM
Unknown Soldier Unknown Soldier is offline
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Default Re: worth bluffing river?

not terrible because villain looks pretty weak, but you look FOS depends if villain is capable of making hero calls
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Old 08-05-2007, 02:25 PM
thedustbustr thedustbustr is offline
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Default Re: worth bluffing river?

i just chatted this breifly with aj on aim, i think this hand is terrible.
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Old 08-05-2007, 02:33 PM
Nick Royale Nick Royale is offline
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Default Re: worth bluffing river?

I bet the flop.

Given your flop check I just call the turn. Your line looks like absolute [censored], you'll not check behind the flop with any legitimate made hand and the only hand in your range that the 4 improved is 44. I don't think any hand betting the turn is folding. The river bluff is decent though and if you raise the turn it should be with the intention of betting the river. I still prefer just calling the turn.
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Old 08-05-2007, 02:40 PM
thedustbustr thedustbustr is offline
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Default Re: worth bluffing river?

i agree that the turn line is ocnsistent with river bluff, but i also agree that calling the turn and folding river is better
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Old 08-05-2007, 02:47 PM
Nielsio Nielsio is offline
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Default Re: worth bluffing river?

(20:44:29) Nielsio: But betting flop seems so much better
(20:44:33) Nielsio: Take control of the pot
(20:44:36) Nielsio: Rep the K
(20:44:51) Nielsio: And ppl will have a hard time calling &lt;K because it's 3-way
(20:45:07) Nielsio: And ppl won't even raise a weak K on the flop
(20:45:56) Nielsio: If we did that we could bet again on the turn and fold most hands except Kx
(20:46:10) Nielsio: Or check depending on type of villain
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Old 08-05-2007, 02:25 PM
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Default Re: worth bluffing river?

don't like turn raise after 3way flop check. Flop is OK imo, call turn. River as played is probably slightly -EV.
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