What? You just called my 4bet?! Now what?

LuckyDice · #1 08-03-2007, 02:33 PM

In the past people have always pushed or folded when responding to my 4bet so these hands caught me off guard.
What are their ranges for just calling it?

Assume a TAG (19/15) image for hero in all hands and no history with villains.
Any advice is appreciated at all.

------hand 1-------
Villain is 57/39 but hasn't 3bet much

Hero ($452.40)
BB ($423.35)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to $14, 2 folds, BB raises to $36, Hero raises to $112, BB calls $76.

Flop: ($226) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero ?? ($310 left)

-------hand 2-----

Villain is 20/15 and doesn't 3bet much.

Hero ($381)
CO ($859.75)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $14, CO raises to $44, 3 folds, Hero raises to $120, CO calls $76.

Flop: ($246) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero?? ($261 left)

---------hand 3----------

Villain is 27/15 and 3bets a decent amount.

Hero ($422.75)
Button ($373.50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $14, 2 folds, Button raises to $36, 2 folds, Hero raises to $120, Button calls $84.

Flop: ($246) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero ?? ($253 left)

jfish · #2 08-03-2007, 02:35 PM

1.) 135
2.) c/f
3.) shove

AAismyfriend · #3 08-03-2007, 02:36 PM

Hand 1 make some small bet on flop/call a shove, and push turn if called.

Hand 2 I just c/f

Hand 3 SHOOOOOOVE

Choparno · #4 08-03-2007, 02:47 PM

Hand 1: I like half pot against donkish villain, makes it look like you are leaving yourself room to fold if he shoves.

Hand 2: Learned from experience that c/f is best here.

Hand 3: Any option is good here. If shoving looks bluffy that's probably best.

Pasterbator · #5 08-03-2007, 02:56 PM

think and check

check

check.

sometimes im too aggressive.

jfish · #6 08-03-2007, 02:57 PM

lol i was thinking check for h3, but pot is too big and youre giving up too much equity by checking without a better read imo. checking in h1 is fine, but id like to set up being able to make half pot bluffs in 4b pots later.

Pasterbator · #7 08-03-2007, 03:11 PM

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lol i was thinking check for h3, but pot is too big and youre giving up too much equity by checking without a better read imo. checking in h1 is fine, but id like to set up being able to make half pot bluffs in 4b pots later.

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i think hand 1 can definitely go either way. Question: What do you think about checking your entire range in each of these hands?

How about just hand 1 and 2?

Is it better to set up the 1/2 pot bluffs like you said?

Do these situations come up enough these days with 100BB to NEED to mix up your game?

Also i still love thinking and checking hand 3.

[img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] im so tricky.

captainwacky · #8 08-03-2007, 03:22 PM

bet

bet

bet

bet

bet

bet

jfish · #9 08-03-2007, 03:35 PM

paster,

i typed out check for h3 and later went back and changed my mind. we play pretty similarly i thinkz.

Jeffmet3 · #10 08-03-2007, 03:48 PM

Isn't his range for calling your 4-bet literally, AA/KK/AK/QQ? With you being that nitty, wouldn't it be better to check through the flop. If you're ahead he's drawing to 2 outs, and if you're behind, you're [censored] anyways. So checking gives the possibility of getting some value from QQ.

This makes sense to me, but I think I kinda suck in 3-bet, 4-bet pots so lmk if my thinking is right. thanks