PS 100+9 - AA - Ugly Flop

[SonofDjugashvili]

Slightly higher level of tournament than usual, so I expect some higher level thinking. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Very early. Had a maniac at the table moving in every hand - it's taken 15+ hands for him to bust, so this is essentially the 2nd or 3rd "normal" hand of tourney. As such, not many reads, but I am assuming the average player to be TAG. The Villain in this situation proved to be a solid, nothing out of line type of player. No HH.

Blinds 15-30. Hero at approximately 2,600 chips. Villain has about 5,800 (having had the fortune to have a hand against the maniac).

Deal to hero in UTG+1 A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

UTG limps. I thought about trying the 2nd hand low here, but decided to raise in the hope that this might be a limp with AK or KK and I'd get a RR. Hero raises to 150. Villain calls in H/J, blinds fold, UTG calls.

Three to the flop. 495 in the pot.

Flop: 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

UTG checks. Hero?

[ssnyc]

ugly but make a solid pottish bet ($450?)...more that you would with a whiffed AK...I think I'm hoping for a reraise and so I can get it in but that may a lazy line...I hate having the villan call with position and so many turn cards hurt us

[SonofDjugashvili]

No other comments? OK, that seems pretty standard.

Hero bets 400 or 450 (can't recall exactly, just that I had precisely 2000 left after the bet). Villain raises to 2500 (I believe he didn't shove, just raised enough to cover both UTG and myself) QUICKLY.

Hero?

[PantsOnFire]

This is a flush draw, straight draw, combo draw or TT-KK way more often than a set, two pair or a made straight.

Villain can't put you on a straight. He has to put you on a big A or an overpair. I highly doubt he would simply shove if he has you crushed, and has position on you. It's a perfectly good play with a good draw to try to get you to lay down a big A or even JJ. He knows he has outs and fold equity.

I call here. I am much more suspicious when I have AA and villain is playing along.

[SonofDjugashvili]

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This is a flush draw, straight draw, combo draw or TT-KK way more often than a set, two pair or a made straight.

Villain can't put you on a straight. He has to put you on a big A or an overpair. I highly doubt he would simply shove if he has you crushed, and has position on you. It's a perfectly good play with a good draw to try to get you to lay down a big A or even JJ. He knows he has outs and fold equity.

I call here. I am much more suspicious when I have AA and villain is playing along.

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OK, good reads. Precisely because I credited the guy with being a good player, I thought that he would have played a made hand slower. I think I may have folded this in a 10/180, but I called and he showed A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Surprisingly, this isn't a "waaaah, I stacked off with aces" post, since I dodged a 10 and a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] I went out near the bubble with A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in a 3-way AI. BTW, this leads me to another question. With ~16BB's, about 15-20 to ITM, on the button with the above hand. 2 stacks of roughly my size get AI. Do I call or fold? I insta-called, thinking this was my chance to go deep. Thoughts?

[PantsOnFire]

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This is a flush draw, straight draw, combo draw or TT-KK way more often than a set, two pair or a made straight.

Villain can't put you on a straight. He has to put you on a big A or an overpair. I highly doubt he would simply shove if he has you crushed, and has position on you. It's a perfectly good play with a good draw to try to get you to lay down a big A or even JJ. He knows he has outs and fold equity.

I call here. I am much more suspicious when I have AA and villain is playing along.

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OK, good reads. Precisely because I credited the guy with being a good player, I thought that he would have played a made hand slower. I think I may have folded this in a 10/180, but I called and he showed A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Surprisingly, this isn't a "waaaah, I stacked off with aces" post, since I dodged a 10 and a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] I went out near the bubble with A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in a 3-way AI. BTW, this leads me to another question. With ~16BB's, about 15-20 to ITM, on the button with the above hand. 2 stacks of roughly my size get AI. Do I call or fold? I insta-called, thinking this was my chance to go deep. Thoughts?

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Damn, I knew I should have taken the thinking to the next level. Villain shoved the nuts hoping you had a big pair and would put him on a flush draw.

I remember reading Harrington about a hand where a player pushed a made top full house on a two flush board hoping to represent a flush draw and get TPTK to call drawing dead.

I wish I had the bankroll to play more often at $100 SnGs.

[Dave D]

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This is a flush draw, straight draw, combo draw or TT-KK way more often than a set, two pair or a made straight.

Villain can't put you on a straight. He has to put you on a big A or an overpair. I highly doubt he would simply shove if he has you crushed, and has position on you. It's a perfectly good play with a good draw to try to get you to lay down a big A or even JJ. He knows he has outs and fold equity.

I call here. I am much more suspicious when I have AA and villain is playing along.

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OK, good reads. Precisely because I credited the guy with being a good player, I thought that he would have played a made hand slower. I think I may have folded this in a 10/180, but I called and he showed A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Surprisingly, this isn't a "waaaah, I stacked off with aces" post, since I dodged a 10 and a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] I went out near the bubble with A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in a 3-way AI. BTW, this leads me to another question. With ~16BB's, about 15-20 to ITM, on the button with the above hand. 2 stacks of roughly my size get AI. Do I call or fold? I insta-called, thinking this was my chance to go deep. Thoughts?

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Easy push. You're probably looking at high pairs but the pot odds are great. Winning this puts you in great position to FT or at least go deep.

[Jonathan]

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No other comments? OK, that seems pretty standard.

Hero bets 400 or 450 (can't recall exactly, just that I had precisely 2000 left after the bet). Villain raises to 2500 (I believe he didn't shove, just raised enough to cover both UTG and myself) QUICKLY.

Hero?

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This is a very easy call. The QUICK reraise almost always represents
a draw. With a made hand here he would be happy to let you
keep betting your hand.

I call QUICKLY and hope he doesn't hit his 8 outer on the turn/river.

Jonathan

[nbt23]

I would make a pot size bet on the flop, but if you are flat called or raised I would consider laying down this hand early. Too many hands beat you with the types of hands they could have (pk 7s, 8s, or 9s; any connectors 56, 78, 89, 10J.) If they raise your bet I'd say best case scenario is that they have a flush draw, which means they still have a lot of outs. If they flat call see what the turn brings and go from there.

[MLG]

I would check the flop here and try and play a small pot.