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KQo in BB--standard action?
Hi All,
When I think about what has been going wrong with my game lately, the answer I come up with can be summarized in two words: donk calls. Almost always, I know even as I'm clicking that I'm making a donk call, and after I get stacked I duly write into my tourney journal something like "Overall played OK with mediocre cards; a few good steals; got stacked when TPTK ran into two pair." Anyway, I'm posting these two, because I actually don't think I made any mistakes, but now I'm on a losing streak and starting to doubt my judgment. I've been playing pretty taggy, 18/12/1.6. Villain in first hand is very loose and sort of passive over 25 hands, 43/16/0.9, although he hasn't actually shown down bad cards. No reads on villain in second hand, as it's my first hand at the table. HAND 1 UTG: (3110 in chips) UTG+1: 300 in chips) MP12510 in chips) MP2835 in chips) HJ: (785 in chips) CO: (2110 in chips) BU: (4155 in chips) SB: (1825 in chips) HERO: (4995 in chips) Blinds 15/30, Hero is in BB with K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Action: Folds to SB, who completes. Hero raises 60 to 90. SB calls. Flop: 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] SB bets 1735 and is all-in. Hero? HAND 2 UTG: (4095 in chips) VILLAIN: (5430 in chips) HERO: (6820 in chips) MP2: (3545 in chips) HJ: (1140 in chips) CO: (1905 in chips) BU: (720 in chips) SB: (735 in chips) BB: (1960 in chips) Blinds are 25/50. Hero is MP1 with K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Action: 1 fold, Villain calls 50, Hero raises 150 to 200, four folds, SB calls 175, 1 fold, Villain raises 200 to 400, Hero? Look, I don’t want to start some ridiculous thread about whether one should fold KK pre-flop, but should the limp-minraise have raised red flags??? |
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Re: KQo in BB--standard action?
Hand 1: Probably some retarded combo draw. I doubt it's a set. I probably just muck it's early and you're flipping a coin.
Hand 2: EDIT, didn't really look at stacks. Bet half your stack, if you run into AA oh well. I've seem people limp RR with all sorts or stupid [censored] and then call a shove. AJ+ 88+. |
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Re: KQo in BB--standard action?
hand 1: against a passive player I will usually fold .. this huge overbet looks so much like "OMGZ I finally flopped the nuts..now go pay me off..OMGZ, I'm gonna double up". Normally though the shove is a single diamond, so I would call with enough money in the pot and decent pot odds
hand 2: I would put villain on KK+,AK and I've even seen people do this even with QQ,JJ. You are a favorite against that range, so re-raise and call any shove. You lost against AA busted a couple hands later and loaded another tourney... |
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Re: KQo in BB--standard action?
Hand 1 - I call (and get outdrawn)
Hand 2 - I shove KK (sorry you ran em into AA).... at least call and shove a non-A flop. |
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Re: KQo in BB--standard action?
hand 1...fold...if you are ahead it's not by much and with on 90 chips committed no reason to felt here...If the SB is m1king bad plays like this overbet you shoul be able to nail them in a better spot...I probbly just check this pre and play my position with a hidden solid hand
Hand 2: raise more over the limper!!!!!!!!! as played reraise to 1.5 to 2K and call a push |
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Re: KQo in BB--standard action?
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Hand 2: raise more over the limper!!!!!!!!! [/ QUOTE ] Thanks for your reply. But I thought the standard was 3BB+1BB per limper? Plus, while I don't want a six-way pot, I do want some action here, no? |
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Re: KQo in BB--standard action?
Hand 1: CALL!
Hand 2: 4-bet to 1500 and call a shove... I can't possibly lay down KK preflop without very strong reads. |
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Re: KQo in BB--standard action?
rocco...why instacall in hand 1? He called our preflop raise and is pushing...what do you possibly have him on that we are that far ahead of? I think we see 2 pair here or a decent diamond and I just don't see any value in calling the push
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Re: KQo in BB--standard action?
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rocco...why instacall in hand 1? He called our preflop raise and is pushing...what do you possibly have him on that we are that far ahead of? I think we see 2 pair here or a decent diamond and I just don't see any value in calling the push [/ QUOTE ] Because this is a lone diamond too often to not gamble. And it's a complete bluff just as often as it's two pair or a set. I gamble early, I want to chip up. If you bust, fire up another one... |
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Re: KQo in BB--standard action?
dunno...with bad players I don't really see a point in guessing early...we can take their chips away without gambling later so why give them an easy shot at ours for no real gain
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