More 3-bet pot fun

Mike MacIntosh · #1 08-02-2007, 12:18 PM

First couple of orbits, so no reliable stats.

Reads: Villain has a card runners icon.

History: We have got involved in one other 3bet pot that I took down by c-betting the flop, and shoving the turn.

Comments on all streets appreciated.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|saw showdown

CO ($151.50)
Hero ($117.15)
SB ($103.85)
BB ($104.25)
UTG ($123)
MP ($130.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, CO raises to $4, Hero raises to $13, 2 folds, CO calls $9.

Flop: ($27.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($27.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO bets $15, Hero calls $15.

River: ($57.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO bets $45, Hero ???

relativity_x · #2 08-02-2007, 12:24 PM

I'm not sure why you didn't bet the flop.

As played, you must call the river.

davekngs · #3 08-02-2007, 01:14 PM

ye why 3bet AQ if your not gonna cbet? kinda defeats the object for me especially on that board.

AS played this is a straight forward call on river you shouldn't be considering anythign else

Sphere99991 · #4 08-02-2007, 01:29 PM

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I'm not sure why you didn't bet the flop.

As played, you must call the river.

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Yup. /Thread.

Syntec87 · #5 08-02-2007, 01:31 PM

your hand is underrepped, looks like TT, maybe 88, T9, something he may try to bluff you off of. call

BDaws · #6 08-02-2007, 01:43 PM

MM,
I would much prefer a flop check if the board was J53 instead of J93 because medium pairs are less likely to fold to your c-bet in the J53 example.

You must call the river. By checking behind and just calling a 1/2 pot on the turn, it looks like you want to get to showdown with a very marginal hand. I'm guessing he realizes this and near pots it on the river to fold a huge portion of your range.

Colombo · #7 08-02-2007, 01:54 PM

shove riv.

Mike MacIntosh · #8 08-02-2007, 02:43 PM

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MM,
I would much prefer a flop check if the board was J53 instead of J93 because medium pairs are less likely to fold to your c-bet in the J53 example.

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Great point.

Did not c-bet because I didn't expect to get much credit from villain on this board. I would guess that he floats or c/r me more than 1/2 the time. We have a hand with some kind of showdown value/equity to improve. These are the reasons why I decided to check.

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You must call the river. By checking behind and just calling a 1/2 pot on the turn, it looks like you want to get to showdown with a very marginal hand. I'm guessing he realizes this and near pots it on the river to fold a huge portion of your range.

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Lets construct some kind of range for the villain. What does his value-betting range look like here? How often does he bluff?

BTW, how do we come up with a bluff % without history in this spot? I find myself having a very hard time assigning bluffing frequencies in these games.

whangarei · #9 08-02-2007, 03:28 PM

Insta-call. You have TPTK. You beat plenty of hands including KQ, QT, TT. And with the history he is trying to push you off the hand a fair percentage of the time.

rine · #10 08-02-2007, 03:37 PM

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Insta-call. You have TPTK. You beat plenty of hands including KQ, QT, TT. And with the history he is trying to push you off the hand a fair percentage of the time.

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With this "history" he is more likely to try to snap off a bluff imho.