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omg JJ ;lkadsjf;alsdkfj:LDSKFJ:LDSKF
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)
saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font> MP2 (t19432) <font color="#C00000">MP3 (t16383)</font> CO (t17080) Button (t16675) SB (t10025) <font color="#C00000">Hero (t11265)</font> UTG (t12124) UTG+1 (t6296) MP1 (t19860) Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to t900</font>, CO calls t900, <font color="#666666">2 folds 170 players left. 90 pay. I have the avg stack. reads: MP1 is semiloose aggressive. MP2 not slowplaying a huge hand vs him with these stacks. thats all. wtf do i do here? |
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Re: omg JJ ;lkadsjf;alsdkfj:LDSKFJ:LDSKF
Push? Too much to call for set value, and if you raise you're committed.
With the way I've played lately tho, the opposite of my advice is prob best. |
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Re: omg JJ ;lkadsjf;alsdkfj:LDSKFJ:LDSKF
either shove or raise to 3750 and shove almost any flop.
i prefer a shove since you can increase your stack by 20% and because this is a really tough hand to play OOP and also because you can get called by a lot of worse hands in what looks like an obvious squeeze situation. calling is bad because there is too many chips already in the pot. the title of your thread is retarded. if you want to simply whine about a bad beat then post in BBV |
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Re: omg JJ ;lkadsjf;alsdkfj:LDSKFJ:LDSKF
I hate shoving here. It basically turns your hand face up. Against the opponents you describe i prefer raising & calling a shove/shoving lots of flops.
I'd rather call here than shove, but I don't think I'd do either. |
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Re: omg JJ ;lkadsjf;alsdkfj:LDSKFJ:LDSKF
Besides the fact, that the reads on MP1 and MP2 are completely worthless ([img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]) I would make it 4k to go. If Villain1 pushes I instacall, if Villain1 calls and Villain2 pushes, IŽll fold.
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Re: omg JJ ;lkadsjf;alsdkfj:LDSKFJ:LDSKF
making it 4k then folding would be pretty bad imo
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Re: omg JJ ;lkadsjf;alsdkfj:LDSKFJ:LDSKF
I'd definitely rather call than shove here, yeah. Considering you hit a set 1/11 times... plus there's times where you end up with an overpair... definitely make it better than pushing.
Raising to 3600 is fine too, though you're obviously in quite the predicament if, say, a king flops and you're bet into. |
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Re: omg JJ ;lkadsjf;alsdkfj:LDSKFJ:LDSKF
Point taken about the title of the post. I agree with what you posted however, and in the actual hand I shoved. With the exact same reasoning you gave. Increase my stack by 20%, and the hand is so retarded to play OOP with overcards flopping so often.
I discussed this hand for a bit with a friend however and he said that with these stacks, despite the fact that shoving in my spot looks like an obvious squeeze, I doubt I get called very often by a worse hand (smaller pair). So basically I'm folding out all worse hands (except ak obv) to snatch the 20% of my stack in the pot. Is the 20% worth it? Also, if its true that when we shove and get called its gonna be by a hand > JJ, that makes our opponents calling range very very narrow and hes folding out all but the top say 5% of his hands. If thats the case then the fact we have JJ doesn't really matter and it would make sense to make this play with a much much weaker hand ie 67s. Am I way off here? Thoughts? ty |
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Re: omg JJ ;lkadsjf;alsdkfj:LDSKFJ:LDSKF
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Also, if its true that when we shove and get called its gonna be by a hand > JJ, that makes our opponents calling range very very narrow and hes folding out all but the top say 5% of his hands. If thats the case then the fact we have JJ doesn't really matter and it would make sense to make this play with a much much weaker hand ie 67s. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, you can do a squeeze play with weak hands. There is a lot of useful information and discussion about squeezes/resteals on this forum. They generally require reads of your opponents, which for whatever reason, you didn't supply us for the relevant players. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] Also, maybe it's just me, but with the "saw flop|saw showdown" thing in the hand history, it makes it obvious that you jammed and got called by MP3. Next time just have the converter not include that. |
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Re: omg JJ ;lkadsjf;alsdkfj:LDSKFJ:LDSKF
When in doubt, just shrug your shoulders... mummble "I dunno" into your hand, put your hand to your ear waiting for it to talk back to you... and then shove all your chips in the middle.
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