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07-31-2007, 10:35 PM
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River decision with Kings up in big pot
ok, the reactions I got on my other river decision post amazed me and made me think this hand might actualy be worth posting as well, either way, I'd love to hear pokerbob's thoughts on this one
15-30 full ring live game (same game as the other one) hero raises K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in EP, dude on my left who is here for gambool cold calls (basically has any 2 cards), sb who will play any 2 cards that look nice calls and bb who is a TAG nit calls 4 to flop for 8sb: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] sb donks, BB raises, hero 3-bets, gamb00l calls 3 cold, sb calls, bb calls (4 bet cap) 4 to turn for 20sb: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] sb checks, bb checks, hero bets, all call 4 to river for 14bb: 10[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] sb donks, BB folds, hero...? sb hasn't shown any bluffs down, he basically plays too lose, but is def NOT passive, 1st time I've played with sb and he sat in late in the session so no big reads on the river I looked left and noticed that gamb00l dude had already lost interest in the hand, so my main concern was sb the hand in the other thread was such an "easy" call that I'm very curious what you guys think of this one 
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#3
07-31-2007, 10:45 PM
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Re: River decision with Kings up in big pot
Are there options other than calling? I am not raising and certainly not folding with the pot this huge.
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#4
07-31-2007, 10:58 PM
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Re: River decision with Kings up in big pot
I can't believe this, this actually was a hand where I was convinced that folding was the only option, I thought about posting but didn't even bother bc I thought it was so standard
I play with guys who are capable of bluffing all the time, there are very few that don't ever do it, basically you're suggesting I should call down always if they're capable of bluffing who would ever bluff a river where a third flush card hit into a field of 4? I've never seen it, ever, I wouldn't even expect to see it from an expert player, let alone some random dude who actually plays badd daveR, I've always read your posts with interest, but cmon, you're actually calling this?
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#5
07-31-2007, 10:59 PM
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Re: River decision with Kings up in big pot
ok, you deleted your post daveR...?
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#6
07-31-2007, 11:11 PM
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Re: River decision with Kings up in big pot
you better have a sick read on your opponent to fold. You described him as "sb who will play any 2 cards that look nice", you gave no more info so I will assume you have none. Call.
Or bluff raise the boat
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#8
08-01-2007, 10:26 AM
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Re: River decision with Kings up in big pot
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You are getting 15-1 odds so I think I call. [/ QUOTE ] thinking like this is going to cost you chips in the long run when you fail to make obvious laydowns that said if you're read is correct and the guy isnt passive i call this.
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#9
08-01-2007, 11:22 AM
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Re: River decision with Kings up in big pot
ok, this isht is amazing to me
it actually took me quite some time to build up the skill to lay hands down in these river spots in big pots, I felt it was one of my biggest leaks to not be able to lay em down, and now you guys are telling me you'd all be calling this does some serious screwing with my head obv against weak passive calling stations this is super easy, but still, even with 15:1 odds, against someone who isn't a total wpcs, the percentage play should be to fold imo maybe you guys are misinterpreting me when I say this guy is not passive..? by that I mean that he is betting and raising all his good hands like one should, instead of meakly calling down TPTK and the likes I never stated that he's a maniac and I also mentioned that I hadn't seen him bluffing as of yet, his biggest mistake is that he plays far too many hands pre flop, calling raises with hands like 97o, 64s and similar crap, like a lot of players in these games do I'd love to hear more opinions though bc if I've fixed a leak in my game that wasn't a leak in the first place I'd better start unfixing it...
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#10
08-01-2007, 11:25 AM
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Re: River decision with Kings up in big pot
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sb hasn't shown any bluffs down, he basically plays too lose, but is def NOT passive, 1st time I've played with sb and he sat in late in the session so no big reads [/ QUOTE ] I am not folding to a river donk in a 15 BB pot with the above read. We should easily be good once out of 16 times.
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