Two backdoor draws in a big big pot

[Aaron W.]

More 15/30 at the Bellagio

Four limpers to me and I limp behind with ATo. The guy to my left raises, both blinds call, as does everyone else. 7 players to the flop for two bets.

The preflop raiser has been playing a very tight game in general, but he has iso-raised with a hand as weak as K6s (the player who limped in was a loose player, probably 50+ VPIP, and he iso-raised from the button). But his postflop play seems to be a bit tentative.

The flop is J9x giving me a backdoor nut flush draw and a pretty good backdoor straight draw (3 to a straight with one to the nuts). Checked to the guy on my right who bets. The read on this guy is that he's pretty aggressive. He could easily be betting a flush draw, straight draw, or middle pair (maybe even bottom pair).

There are 15 bets in the pot and Hero should ...

[KitCloudkicker]

i would fold 2nd to act. is this a leak?

calling is bad though.

imo, fold >>>>>>>>>raise>>& gt;>call

i might be wrong though, its a freakin big pot.

[neeeel]

i would fold preflop :P
what were ur reasons for playing this hand (apart from your superior post flop play ofc [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] )

[KitCloudkicker]

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i would fold preflop :P


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yuck!

[Hielko]

ATo is a good hand in late position, I would never fold preflop.

I think raising this flop is a decent option. Hopefully the preflop raiser folds, you clean up some outs and you can possible take a freecard on the turn. Or i'm too optimistic here?

[neeeel]

the books say hands like ATo arent good multiway, and u have 4 limpers in front, why is it so yuck to fold here, and if its not yuck, why not raise?

[tyler_cracker]

J9x probably hit a field of limpers pretty hard. raising is not going to "protect" our "hand" (A-high massively multiway?) or clean up outs (do you think the pfr is folding AQ getting 17:2?). all that raising does is charges us extra money to draw super thin.

our BDFD is 1-card, which is bad for our implied odds. we could also end up paying a lot of bets to hit a favorable card on the turn, paying a lot of bets to get to the river, and then missing.

much as it pains me, i think we have to fold.

f > c > r >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>>>> folding preflop lol.

[Fantam]

If you knew that the preflop raiser was not going to raise the flop, I think that you could call with your 2 backdoor draws getting 15:1 or possibly more.

However, the preflop raiser generally seems tight and was not iso raising this hand. He could call if he had overcards, but I think the chance that he raises with a premium pair spoil your odds.

[BigBadBabar]

fold, lol @ raising the flop

[Xhad]

Someone linked me to this recently: http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/l...y-answers.html

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16. Three players limp, and you have ATo in the cutoff.

Call. I think calling and raising are close here, but calling is probably slightly better. You probably do have an edge preflop, so by calling you are giving up some money. But I think your edge is modest… and the advantage of having someone bet into you if you flop a ten is very significant. I think you should clearly raise AJo, and clearly not raise A9o… ATo is on the border. If you wanted to argue for a raise, I wouldn’t put up much of a fight. I would if you wanted to fold, though…

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