Just a quicky

HoneyBadger · #1 07-26-2007, 04:27 PM

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises, MP2 3-bets, 3 folds, BB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (9.33 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets, BB calls, Hero ??

Both somewhat tight passives

Hielko · #2 07-26-2007, 04:30 PM

Fold: RIO.

KitCloudkicker · #3 07-26-2007, 04:31 PM

i'm a live player. 3 bets by passive villains = the nuts. i fold

Hielko · #4 07-26-2007, 04:34 PM

This is a online hand, so his definition of passive is probably different then yours. It's not like you can't habe the best hand here.

KitCloudkicker · #5 07-26-2007, 04:37 PM

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then why wouldnt you C/C and reevaluate the turn?

are we giving up for 1 sb just because we fear a turned A, K, or Q?

note: i still fold the flop

HoneyBadger · #6 07-26-2007, 04:38 PM

semi tight passvie is 24/10/1.5 to me

Hielko · #7 07-26-2007, 04:48 PM

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It's not like you can't habe the best hand here.

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then why wouldnt you C/C and reevaluate the turn?

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Because of the reverse implied odds. When you call a single bet on the flop you still have to get to the river. It's going to extremely hard to do this right: you can't know if you are already beat, if the pfr is bluffing on the A/K/Q/J turn or A/K/Q/J river and then we also have to worry about the BB that could have some worse hands, some draws or some better hands. I would call if both players couldn't bet the turn or river, but the fact that they can makes live just to complicated.

HoneyBadger · #8 07-26-2007, 05:04 PM

I thought the same as hielko and folded fwiw

KitCloudkicker · #9 07-26-2007, 05:20 PM

Fair enough.

Whats your line here?

Similar situation, but heads up

mrcunningham · #10 07-26-2007, 06:26 PM

PF: okay
F: If MP2 is so tight and passive as to never C-bet, I think it's fine to fold with the caller.