22 in SB

DeuceKicker · #1 07-26-2007, 03:09 PM

Hustler 15-30 (2/3 structure)

A young asian guy posts in CO. I've never seen him before, but my spidey sense is going off--something about his slightly disinterested air makes me think he's a solid player.

It gets folded around to him and I'm 100% positive he's going to raise. He doesn't disappoint.

Extremely laggy Armenian guy calls on the button (one of the very few times he didn't 3-bet). I call in the SB with 22 and BB calls.

Flop is Q72r

If you anticipate that CO will bet and Btn will raise no matter what their cards are, do you bet, check/call, or check/3bet?

KitCloudkicker · #2 07-26-2007, 03:15 PM

c/r or bet.

c/c is pretty bad.

mongidig · #3 07-26-2007, 04:27 PM

check and three bet. If it gets reraised then check raise the turn. Let them try to muscle you out of the pot. If you bet they may just call or fold. Hope they have a queen or over pair and it takes them until river to figure out you have a set.

ProfessorBen · #4 07-26-2007, 04:49 PM

This board is drier than a woman after making out with priv_joker. Check/call can't be that terrible.

cmcxchris · #5 07-26-2007, 03:16 PM

This hand is not interesting. Bet the flop. Raise at every opportunity while there is a cap.

bugstud · #6 07-26-2007, 03:36 PM

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This hand is not interesting. Bet the flop. Raise at every opportunity while there is a cap.

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wtf bet the flop wwwwwwwwtf

DeuceKicker · #7 07-26-2007, 04:27 PM

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This hand is not interesting. Bet the flop. Raise at every opportunity while there is a cap.

[/ QUOTE ]It may or may not get interesting later. If not, feel free to stay the F* out of the thread.

I figure that on a board this non-threatening I want to get in a raise or two on the big streets, so it's not simply a matter of raising at any and every opportunity. On the other hand, I think checking is bad, as it will most likely be raised back to me and a cold-call will make CO and B really suspicious. I could check/3-bet, but that likely nets me .5BB less by the end of the hand.

This brings up other questions about whether you assume CO will check to B's flop 3-bet, and do you then c/r to push out CO, or do you bet out again, but it's moot because...

I bet. CO raises (kind of expected). Btn folds (WTF? This is a big surprise.) BB folds. I'm HU with CO.

Do you 3-bet or plan to check-raise the turn?

cmcxchris · #8 07-26-2007, 04:50 PM

just straightforward bet. that's the plan here.

this kind of thinking, in this particular situation, trying to get tricky, has a place in no-limit. in limit - the possible extra gain doesn't compensate for the possible bad things. in this particular situation.

here's one example of a bad thing. say you're up against Q7 (hit two pair) and 55 and Q7 checks too. and the turn is a 5. the pot is huge in both cases but you only get it leading out.

that's just one example, but the idea remains the same.

just bet - it's straightforward. don't try to eek out an extra bet or two at the risk of giving up the huge pot here.
know that most of the time no one will have anything, and you won't make much money anyway.

if so, rinse, repeat, get rewarded at a later time and place.

DeuceKicker · #9 07-26-2007, 05:14 PM

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in limit - the possible extra gain doesn't compensate for the possible bad things.

[/ QUOTE ]I generally agree and just ram and jam sets, but--ProfessorBen's colorful simile aside--this is a really dry board, so my 3-nanosecond calculations before I act say that I can eek out an extra .5BB from these bastards!

Anyway, I'll just skip to the river, which is where I think I really screwed up.

A blank hits the turn -- let's call it a 5. no flush possible

I check, CO bets, I raise.

River is a Ten. I bet, CO raises.

I'm physically incapable of folding if I 3-bet and he 4-bets.

threeonefour · #10 07-26-2007, 05:27 PM

DueceKicker,

easy threebet the river and call the 4. EDIT: folding to the 4 would be madness even if you were capable of such a fold.

lets review:

you call preflop from a blind (you have [censored] as far as everyone else is concerned)
you bet call the flop (i guess you have a pair)
you check raise the turn (top pairish)
you bet the river (still top pairish)
now you are raised.

you really haven't represented a monster (not exclusively at least), as such his river raise doesn't represent a monster. easiest three bet in the world, if its capped (QT being his mostly likely hand) i would expect to be good more than half the time.