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1st Daily Post: Fun w/ QQ
About a month ago I moved to Vegas and have been playing again for a living. I've decided I need to do more to evaluate my game, so I'm going to post a hand from every session I play.
Bellagio 30-60, 8 handed. UTG is loose and bad, MP is an aggressive, slightly winning player, but is a tad LAGgy pf, also coldcalls too much. BB is a loose passive tourist, but not terribly bad - small losing player. UTG limps, MP raises, folded to The Dude who 3-bets Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in the CO. BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls. Flop: (12.67 SBs) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="blue">(4 Players)</font> SB donks, UTG folds, MP calls, The Dude raises. BB 3-bets, MP calls, leaving him exactly 1.5 BBs left. The Dude calls. Turn: (10.67 BBs) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 Players)</font> BB bets, MP raises all-in. The Dude...? |
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Re: 1st Daily Post: Fun w/ QQ
Raises for value.
MP is on an especially wide range because he's out of chips. UTG will call the raise because the pot is big, and he is loose and bad. And while you only have one pair, there's a decent chance that even if you don't beat MP, you're going to win the side pot with the loose-bad player who could easily have a high card flush draw, top pair, or some other nonsense. And if he happens to have two pair on that board, well you've got some outs to improve. Oh, and if he re-raises again, it's not like it's a disaster. You're probably still ahead of his range. |
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UTG will call the raise because the pot is big, and he is loose and bad. [/ QUOTE ] UTG already folded on the flop. |
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Raises for value. MP is on an especially wide range because he's out of chips. UTG will call the raise because the pot is big, and he is loose and bad. And while you only have one pair, there's a decent chance that even if you don't beat MP, you're going to win the side pot with the loose-bad player who could easily have a high card flush draw, top pair, or some other nonsense. And if he happens to have two pair on that board, well you've got some outs to improve. Oh, and if he re-raises again, it's not like it's a disaster. You're probably still ahead of his range. [/ QUOTE ] Uh, what? UTG folded the flop so I doubt he's calling anything. And I can't think of a single hand we are beating if the loose passive tourist 3 bets the turn here, let alone being ahead of his range. |
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I can't think of a single hand we are beating if the loose passive tourist 3 bets the turn here, let alone being ahead of his range. [/ QUOTE ] For sure. That said, I'd still raise the turn for value. If I got 3-bet by a loose passive tourist, I'd seriously consider folding, and definitely fold the river unimproved. |
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Uh, what? UTG folded the flop so I doubt he's calling anything. And I can't think of a single hand we are beating if the loose passive tourist 3 bets the turn here, let alone being ahead of his range. [/ QUOTE ] Sorry, I read the hand once and then replied without checking it. I was thinking the loose-bad UTG was still in, not the loose-passive BB. That said, I still raise for value, and I (possible unpopular view) don't fold to to a three-bet. He might like TPTK or two pair enough to do re-raise, and I'm ahead of one of those hands, and have outs on the other. |
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That said, I still raise for value, and I (possible unpopular view) don't fold to to a three-bet. [/ QUOTE ] You guys don't seem to understand what's going on. MP raised, if I raise again that will make it 3 bets. If BB puts in another raise on the turn, it's 4 bets, and I am certainly against a set. He won't even have J9s often enough for me to call hoping to improve (I don't see him 3-betting J9 on this flop anyway). |
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I understand exactly what's going on, I just happened to call it a three-bet instead of a 3.5 bet.
As for the "definitely has a set", that could be true if the hand is being played against you in your casino. However, with the information available in thread, and the way most people play against me, I would have to call as there would be a decent chance of "not set", but it would be a borderline call that I could fold against some ultra-passive opponents. That said, the fact that his action was completely unexpected to you indicates that you were putting him on too tight of a range to begin with. |
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I'm confused, I didn't see SB action pre-flop, so I assumed he folded. I'll assume that flop "SB" action should read "BB".
on the turn - after mp re-raises all-in - you should re-raise for value. if BB has KK/AA/JJ oh well. he's a lot more likely to have a hand like AJ/A6/A4/AK/AQ/KQ/KJ/two diamonds. If he raises back, then call and call/check all rivers. |
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on the turn - after mp re-raises all-in - you should re-raise for value. if BB has KK/AA/JJ oh well. he's a lot more likely to have a hand like AJ/A6/A4/AK/AQ/KQ/KJ/two diamonds. If he raises back, then call and call/check all rivers. [/ QUOTE ] Raise/call, c/c is spew. A loose-passives range is highly shifted away from a flush draw once he bet/3bets this flop. The only legitmate flush draws in his range are probably AKdd and A4dd, and these are also unlikely. A loose-passive also never has a single pair at this point unless it's exactly AJ. These are probably the only holdings I think we are possibly ahead of and we have outs against 2 pair, so I don't mind calling down from here. If we are even thinking of raising the turn, we should just cap the flop. It gives us the possibility of taking a free card on the turn, let's us know much more about BBs holding if he leads the turn, charges MP who we're likely ahead of, and charges As and Ks from both players, and doesn't leave us vulnerable to another raise. I'm definitely biased by the results when I say we should cap the flop, but I'm fine with just calling, and calling down barring a nasty turn/river. |
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