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07-26-2007, 01:42 AM
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It\'s heads up and one player said the other said all in-ruling?
I have no clue where to post this, but have wondered for a few days what the correct ruling would be...
I was at a tournament hosted by some friends. 3 of them host one every month and have done so for at least 2 years. Everyone deals their own cards when the dealer button is in front of them and it's pretty informal It was down to heads up and none of the organizers were at the final table. Everyone was in the side game. I overheard a person say, "Call." At the same time the chip leader was looking the other way, moving her mass of chips closer to her (they were on her left and she was putting them in a pile near her-probably should have been colored up). She said, "What are you doing? Why did you turn your cards over?" She was genuinely surprised. He says, "You said all in." She says that she said nothing of the sort! How do you rule? 
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#2
07-26-2007, 03:36 AM
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Re: It\'s heads up and one player said the other said all in-ruling?
He-said she-said?
Nobody else can confirm one way or another? I'd rule the chip leader turns up her cards and the pot is contested without the last bet that he supposedly called that she supposedly made but nobody can confirm.
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#4
07-26-2007, 07:15 AM
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Re: It\'s heads up and one player said the other said all in-ruling?
Give the chip leader credit for telling the truth. The other player is responsible for making sure he knows what the bet is before he announces his action. It is possible that the chip leader misspoke, but I think it is more likely that the other player misheard.
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#5
07-26-2007, 08:41 AM
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Re: It\'s heads up and one player said the other said all in-ruling?
I think he misunderstood something as well, however why do you think the chip leader should be given the credit for telling the truth and not the player who turned his hand over? They both seem like honest people. He was adamant that he knew the bet was all in. She was adamant that he misunderstood.
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#6
07-26-2007, 08:59 AM
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Re: It\'s heads up and one player said the other said all in-ruling?
Women always lie - there's your answer.
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#7
07-26-2007, 09:01 AM
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Re: It\'s heads up and one player said the other said all in-ruling?
because usually the person who says something knows for sure what he said... the person who hears something can usually mishear.
I think the person who actually heard the other one say all-in probaly indeed heard that and that's why they were adamant. I've had someone tell me they heard me say something and were extremely adamant that's what I said... the 3 people sitting with us heard me say exactly what I said. I think you usually give credit to the person who are sure of what they said and not the person who thinks they heard something.
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#8
07-26-2007, 11:00 AM
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Re: It\'s heads up and one player said the other said all in-ruling?
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because usually the person who says something knows for sure what he said... the person who hears something can usually mishear. I think the person who actually heard the other one say all-in probaly indeed heard that and that's why they were adamant. I've had someone tell me they heard me say something and were extremely adamant that's what I said... the 3 people sitting with us heard me say exactly what I said. I think you usually give credit to the person who are sure of what they said and not the person who thinks they heard something. [/ QUOTE ] Well doesn't the person who spoke have a responsibility to speak clearly?
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#9
07-26-2007, 12:52 PM
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Re: It\'s heads up and one player said the other said all in-ruling?
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Well doesn't the person who spoke have a responsibility to speak clearly? [/ QUOTE ] Come now, that's a little extreme for the OP. She could have had her head turned and been saying hello to someone. I don't think the responsibility is on me to make sure everybody at my table can understand everything I say at all times, just so one of them can't say, "oh, I thought you said all-in!" I mean, I certainly do pay attention to action and keep it clean, but it's impossible for me to make sure that everybody can understand me at all times, as that would require me verifying that everyone heard me on everything I said, and then perhaps verifying that they understood I was verifying, etc etc. Yeah, that's silly, but that's the logical path of your statement. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I say let them continue play. Too bad for the guy who exposed. In no way is this a misdeal. Button moves for the next hand, regardless of decision. Allowing a misdeal is opening the door wide to angle-shooting.
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#10
07-26-2007, 01:36 PM
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Re: It\'s heads up and one player said the other said all in-ruling?
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[ QUOTE ] because usually the person who says something knows for sure what he said... the person who hears something can usually mishear. I think the person who actually heard the other one say all-in probaly indeed heard that and that's why they were adamant. I've had someone tell me they heard me say something and were extremely adamant that's what I said... the 3 people sitting with us heard me say exactly what I said. I think you usually give credit to the person who are sure of what they said and not the person who thinks they heard something. [/ QUOTE ] Well doesn't the person who spoke have a responsibility to speak clearly? [/ QUOTE ] This is ridiculous. Nobody enunciates every word perfectly and even when they do, others can still hear something different. What are to do if the player has an accent? Unless there are people who can confirm the player said "all in," then it might as well have not happened. The caller needs to protect his action, especially on such a critical decision.
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