NL1k TPTK on turn, scary board

insanity31 · #1 07-23-2007, 07:03 PM

Villain unknown....

Bodog No-Limit Hold'em, $10.00 BB (9 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

UTG+1 ($1444.00)
Villain ($1586.00)
MP2 ($1227.00)
MP3 ($861.00)
CO ($302.00)
Button ($409.00)
SB ($999.00)
BB (Hero) ($1468.00)
UTG ($1466.00)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, Villain raises to $40, 5 folds, Hero calls $30.

Flop: ($85) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Villain bets $60, Hero calls $60.

Turn: ($205) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $75, Villain raises to $225,

Hero ???

KurtSF · #2 07-23-2007, 07:12 PM

Hate your flop line. I think any of bet, raise, or fold are better than calling.

Turn lead is ugly too, due to the betsize. The right choice here is clearly to fold, but that board is terrifying to anything but QQ, so if you shoved I wouldn't hate it. I wouldn't do it, especially not without a solid read that villain can lay down big hands, but I wouldn't hate it.

Mr_Donktastic · #3 07-23-2007, 07:16 PM

Looks like an ez fold now.

Your line is a little weird. I don't hate it although I think if you wanna play this way you should lead the turn for more like $125.

BingBangBoom · #4 07-23-2007, 07:20 PM

Does anyone think 3 betting preflop and leading this flop could have made decisions much easier. I know the raiser is early position and unknown. As played, check calling seems like a bad idea to me and gives any club a free card to beat us, and the turn lead seems pretty spewy because were giving him plenty of room to bluff us off the hand, folding out worse, and just setting ourselves up for a difficult decision. If were leading turn we have to fold to a reraise ya?? As played im not sure how comfortable i am playing a big pot here.

RyanCMU · #5 07-23-2007, 07:22 PM

As played I think you can let this go without much thought...

Im really curious with your turn lead though, why not make it larger?

KurtSF · #6 07-23-2007, 07:29 PM

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Does anyone think 3 betting preflop and leading this flop could have made decisions much easier.

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Frankly, I think any line is fine preflop, villain dependent. Against the nits I usually play with I would re-pop this frequently. Against a known good player I think this is pretty EV0 to play, and will save myself the variance and not give myself the opportunity to make mistakes, and simply fold. Against an unknown, even OOP, I think the call to see a flop in a small pot is fine.

I think ANY line on the flop would be better. Lead for $70 and see what he does. c/r to ~$210 and put some pressure on him. Or just c/f with all the RIO and find another spot. c/c does nothing for you - let's him draw if you're ahead, makes you play OOP if behind, and gives you no information about where you stand. I really don't like it.

insanity31 · #7 07-23-2007, 07:59 PM

Ok I'm glad everyone is thinking like I was. I'm actually the villain in this hand and I have no idea what the BB was thinking really. The way this hand played out tilted me hard last night, and I've basically been thinking about it most of the day today wondering if he played it brilliantly (lol) or horribly.

Obviously he ended up calling me down the rest of the way and won the pot. I guess he put me on AK with 1 club?

btw... I'm just guessing that I'm unknown to the BB as I had only played a few hands with him, but I'm about 20/8 at anything over NL200 in case he did have hands on me.

uminchu · #8 07-23-2007, 07:19 PM

i like a cr on the flop and fold to a shove

Warren Harding · #9 07-23-2007, 09:43 PM

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BB (Hero) ($1468.00)

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It's only a months salary for me:
arrrrrrrrr in!!!1!

(except replace "a" with "more than a")