$11r.. I think I should squeeze here

thac · #1 07-23-2007, 12:44 AM

MP1 is relatively unknown, but since coming here at 200/400, he's run his 25k stack down to 21k just by being not so good, and I've played with MP3 for the whole tourney, he's 52/1 so far according to PT.. and he's just no good at all. Is this an ample spot for a squeeze or are conditions right to just call? We're all sitting ~25bb deep effectively, and I have a fairly healthy stack, but I wanna squeeeeeeze.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t800 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB (t25800)
BB (t19344)
UTG (t11395)
UTG+1 (t23895)
MP1 (t21663)
MP2 (t46188)
MP3 (t26805)
CO (t19070)
Hero (t30033)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 raises to t2400, 1 fold, MP3 calls t2400, 1 fold, Hero

illini43 · #2 07-23-2007, 12:57 AM

This looks like a good spot to squeeze. There is a good amount in the pot and you are faced with a possible spewer's raise and a very loose player's call.

You might be able to get away with raising to 10k, but you might have to fold if you get 4-bet. Pushing here is probably the easier play to make if you decide to raise.

pariah8 · #3 07-23-2007, 01:19 AM

This is an excellent spot to squeeze, as for the rest illini handled it nicely.

thac · #4 07-23-2007, 12:26 PM

Okay, I just called and spewed off 8k or something postflop.. I felt really retarded

registrar · #5 07-23-2007, 12:58 PM

You can call and post your flop action [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I don't think that's bad by any means as you have position and there is lots of set value.

I think shoving pre is just a lot easier.

TWINUNO · #6 07-23-2007, 02:36 PM

I can see that pushing would be approx 1/5 increase to your stack , but what if he wake up with a hand? Or if you kno hes a loose caller why risk it on a flip when your in relatively good position? Im not saying your wrong i just wanted to kno bc these are the spots I have trouble with. Do you think 99 is lowest thing your pushing. Obv if you kno he will fold a good majority you can be pushing ATC, is that a move youll make alot?

illini43 · #7 07-23-2007, 02:39 PM

Man, if you call this preflop, bet this flop!!! This board is scary to most players and betting ~4500-5000 will win this a good chunk of the time! Checking it through gives another player a shot to take the pot away.

I would bet, then proceed cautiously if raised or called.

BarryLyndon · #8 07-23-2007, 02:46 PM

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Man, if you call this preflop, bet this flop!!! This board is scary to most players and betting ~4500-5000 will win this a good chunk of the time! Checking it through gives another player a shot to take the pot away.

I would bet, then proceed cautiously if raised or called.

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This is a very nice flop for you - only one over, a crappy one at that (a K or A is by far more worrisome), three spades, and two checks. Bet 4000 here and try to take the pot away. Plus, if you bet here, the turn gets checked, you can proceed cautiously (check behind, though you may want to bet again); and then the river could be a nice bluff catch if an other over / spade doesn't pop up.

Barry

Ryanb9 · #9 07-23-2007, 02:54 PM

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Pushing here is probably the easier play to make if you decide to raise.

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I dont think you can do this here can you? Your way to deep to just shove all in. I mean you have 12.5x the 2400 raise... would you really shove here w/ AA/KK/QQ or just make it 6-10k... Shoving (imo) lets the "squezies" take those hands out of your range...

illini43 · #10 07-23-2007, 03:00 PM

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Pushing here is probably the easier play to make if you decide to raise.

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I dont think you can do this here can you? Your way to deep to just shove all in. I mean you have 12.5x the 2400 raise... would you really shove here w/ AA/KK/QQ or just make it 6-10k... Shoving (imo) lets the "squezies" take those hands out of your range...

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I do shove QQ+ here quite a bit. Big overbets usually scream "marginal" and this play could easily be read as a squeeze, thus making it with 99 as well as QQ+ more effective overall.

To me, only raising QQ+ to 10k is incorrect because it makes your holdings easy to read. However, raising 99 to that amount is committing a large chunk or your stack to a pot you will probably have to get away from if called. Pushing QQ+ in these spots wins you a decent pot, makes you less predictable, and allows you to make the same move with 99 and not be identified by the "squeezeies" as holding a 'meh' hand.