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KQ facing 3-bet push
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1000 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)
MP2 (t16473) CO (t26527) Button (t27213) SB (t46946) BB (t11884) UTG (t12565) UTG+1 (t33449) Hero (t22332) Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t2800</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t11884</font>, Hero folds. Final Pot: t6200 Call or fold? This guy seems tight. |
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Re: KQ facing 3-bet push
14784:9084
1.6:1 equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 48.044% 46.24% 01.80% 287412582 11211201.50 { KdQh } Hand 1: 51.956% 50.15% 01.80% 311731367 11211201.50 { 22+, A2s+, K8s+, Q9s+, JTs, T9s, A2o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo, T9o } vilain M = 5.7 if opponent was any good i would say this was a reasonable range. pot odds say call |
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Re: KQ facing 3-bet push
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{ 22+, A2s+, K8s+, Q9s+, JTs, T9s, A2o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo, T9o } [/ QUOTE ] for me the range for a tight player is too wide - even with this low M. he hasn't open the pot, but facing a raise - so for a tight player i would assume something like: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 62.397% 57.73% 04.66% 1198175304 96766770.00 { 77+, ATs+, KJs+, QJs, AJo+, KQo } Hand 1: 37.603% 32.94% 04.66% 683603604 96766770.00 { KQo } which is with 1:1,66 -EV, so i'd fold this |
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Re: KQ facing 3-bet push
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equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 62.397% 57.73% 04.66% 1198175304 96766770.00 { 77+, ATs+, KJs+, QJs, AJo+, KQo } Hand 1: 37.603% 32.94% 04.66% 683603604 96766770.00 { KQo } which makes it a =EV call with no antes because your investing 9084 to win a pot which will be 11884x2+500 meaning you have to win 9084/24268 = 37.4%. Thus it's a +EV call with antes [/ QUOTE ] |
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Re: KQ facing 3-bet push
Gotta Call. I even think the range above is looser than what I would see usually for a reraise all-in (possibly for a push). You gotta call 9K to win 14.5K or so. Odds say call. Also, even if you lose, you are still in it and not that far off the pack.
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Re: KQ facing 3-bet push
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14784:9084 1.6:1 equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 48.044% 46.24% 01.80% 287412582 11211201.50 { KdQh } Hand 1: 51.956% 50.15% 01.80% 311731367 11211201.50 { 22+, A2s+, K8s+, Q9s+, JTs, T9s, A2o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo, T9o } vilain M = 5.7 if opponent was any good i would say this was a reasonable range. pot odds say call [/ QUOTE ] That's way too wide for a standard tight playing shoving over an MP1 raise. |
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Re: KQ facing 3-bet push
I think this is an east fold....you are raising from mp so the bb can not think you do not have some type of hand...My guess he has some type of pocket pair probably middle pair which you would be in a race or he could have ak or aq I think you need at least 2 to 1 for a race situation...easy fold
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Re: KQ facing 3-bet push
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I think you need at least 2 to 1 for a race situation...easy fold [/ QUOTE ] WTF? |
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Re: KQ facing 3-bet push
I think this is a fold.
BB still has 10BBs after posting which isnt THAT short for late stages and you are often dominated with KQ to this push. If he is slightly shorter, then this becomes a simple call based on odds. Some of the ranges being assigned are way too wide IMO for the shover. |
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Re: KQ facing 3-bet push
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[ QUOTE ] I think you need at least 2 to 1 for a race situation...easy fold [/ QUOTE ] WTF? [/ QUOTE ] I was thinking that exact thing. If we knew it was a race, then it's an easy call. But we don't know that. I put the reraiser's range at: Hands we coinflip with Hands that dominate us There are almost no hands he's pushing here that we dominate. This is not a resteal vs Button raise situation. Unless he's an idiot, he's not shoving over an MP raise with garbage. I think too much of his range has us dominated to call unless he were shorter and we got better odds. |
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