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Villain seems tag or lag after ~20 hands. Capable of folding.
sb open limps, hero raises w/A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Flop Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Check, bet, call. turn K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Sb checks, hero ??? Value bet? Bet to protect? b/f or b/c? check behind and call/check river? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] |
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chk then call river vb river if checked to
the pot is tiny u mostly just wanna collect bluffs and avoid putting in too many bets drawing bad |
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chk then call river vb river if checked to the pot is tiny u mostly just wanna collect bluffs and avoid putting in too many bets drawing bad [/ QUOTE ] |
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chk then call river vb river if checked to the pot is tiny u mostly just wanna collect bluffs and avoid putting in too many bets drawing bad [/ QUOTE ] You guys are crazy. Easy, easy b/f. If ahead, this hand is way too vulnerable to give free cards. If the flush gets there on the river then easy fold. Otherwise check behind or call single bet. |
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[ QUOTE ] chk then call river vb river if checked to the pot is tiny u mostly just wanna collect bluffs and avoid putting in too many bets drawing bad [/ QUOTE ] You guys are crazy. Easy, easy b/f. If ahead, this hand is way too vulnerable to give free cards. If the flush gets there on the river then easy fold. Otherwise check behind or call single bet. [/ QUOTE ] You can't trust a turn c/r from a agressive player. It could be a flush or straightdraw. If you bet/fold you cold fold the best hand for the same amount you can take this to SD with. Also you miss the opportunity to catch a 3 or A on river and you don't give the aggressive player a chance to bluff. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] chk then call river vb river if checked to the pot is tiny u mostly just wanna collect bluffs and avoid putting in too many bets drawing bad [/ QUOTE ] You guys are crazy. Easy, easy b/f. If ahead, this hand is way too vulnerable to give free cards. If the flush gets there on the river then easy fold. Otherwise check behind or call single bet. [/ QUOTE ] You can't trust a turn c/r from a agressive player. It could be a flush or straightdraw. If you bet/fold you cold fold the best hand for the same amount you can take this to SD with. Also you miss the opportunity to catch a 3 or A on river and you don't give the aggressive player a chance to bluff. [/ QUOTE ] Agree. Bet/folding is not good if not actualy terrible against a LAG/TAG |
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You can't trust a turn c/r from a agressive player. It could be a flush or straightdraw. If you bet/fold you cold fold the best hand for the same amount you can take this to SD with. Also you miss the opportunity to catch a 3 or A on river and you don't give the aggressive player a chance to bluff. [/ QUOTE ] That logic is fine WAWB but this aint WAWB. Aggressive doesn't mean stupid and sometimes you are better off risking getting bluffed off a better hand than giving away free cards. You have to balance risks and in this spot, if ahead hero is barely ahead and needs to charge any draws. The odds that villain is going to checkraise a draw or bluff are much lower than the odds that villain outdraws hero. |
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Our villain probably has many outs to beat us. But if his card doesn't come on the river, he will likely bluff after you check behind on the turn. So I vote to check behind and call a river bet. Sometimes you are drawing to 5 outs on the turn and occasionally you improve on the river. Also, villain will fold to your turn bet a lot, which prevents hero from collecting an extra bet on the river when villain bluffs at the pot.
It feels weird to be giving a free card here but I think it's appropriate. There are also times when you get check-raised on the turn as a semibluff or bluff. By checking behind, you avoid folding the current best hand (or one that can improve to the best hand on the river, say if villain holds a K). I think this play may be referred to in Stox's book as the "value check" but I'm not positive. |
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The odds that villain is going to checkraise a draw or bluff are much lower than the odds that villain outdraws hero. [/ QUOTE ] How can you state this when the only info we have is that villain is TAG or LAG and c/r with a strong draw is a very common move for those players? |
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