QQ fold river?

l0gician · #1 07-20-2007, 10:53 PM

First hand post ... I have no reads at all, this is about the third or so hand I have played. I am wondering if I am supposed to fold river or not?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 3 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, Hero raises, UTG calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, CO bets, Button calls, SB calls, Hero raises, UTG calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (10 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, CO calls, Button folds, SB folds.

River: (13 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, CO calls, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 15 BB

I figured the flush hit and/or the king. I guess its probably an obvious fold?

knockonwood · #2 07-20-2007, 11:05 PM

Yeah...I would fold this.

cold_cash · #3 07-20-2007, 11:06 PM

call

Todd · #4 07-20-2007, 11:22 PM

Bet/3-bet flop.

River, i might fold cuz of the overcall.

JamesBJames · #5 07-20-2007, 11:29 PM

I'd call. We're probably good here more than 1 out of 15 times, right?

cold_cash · #6 07-20-2007, 11:35 PM

We have the cutoff beaten here like 95% of the time.

l0gician · #7 07-21-2007, 12:19 AM

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Bet/3-bet flop.

River, i might fold cuz of the overcall.

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What I thought I was doing was waiting for someone in later position to bet and I would then raise to supposedly make it unprofitable for the flush (and other) draws.

OziBattler · #8 07-21-2007, 02:53 AM

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Bet/3-bet flop.

River, i might fold cuz of the overcall.

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What I thought I was doing was waiting for someone in later position to bet and I would then raise to supposedly make it unprofitable for the flush (and other) draws.

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c/r the flop is no good. in most situations where you are the aggressor preflop and you have a hand just bet the flop. you dont know where the bet is coming from, if at all. Additionally if you think you can fold out anyone with a half decent draw then you are mistaken. You really cant protect you hand here...its a big pot.

VALUE BET >>>>>>>> PROTECTION in the micros.

l0gician · #9 07-21-2007, 01:18 PM

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Bet/3-bet flop.

River, i might fold cuz of the overcall.

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What I thought I was doing was waiting for someone in later position to bet and I would then raise to supposedly make it unprofitable for the flush (and other) draws.

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c/r the flop is no good. in most situations where you are the aggressor preflop and you have a hand just bet the flop. you dont know where the bet is coming from, if at all. Additionally if you think you can fold out anyone with a half decent draw then you are mistaken. You really cant protect you hand here...its a big pot.

VALUE BET >>>>>>>> PROTECTION in the micros.

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I thought that when the pot is big one was supposed to protect there hand. Anyway I'm sure I have a lot of things mixed up though. I just read SSHE for the first time and am on the second time right now. On p. 63 "When the pot is extremely large", is what I thought I was following. That example has the pot being 24 small bets on the flop though and my hand was 10 or so.

TarHeel100 · #10 07-21-2007, 12:19 AM

Don't check the flop. Lead the flop. You don't want to risk a board this coordinated getting checked through. If someone on your immediate left raises, then great, it just gives the field unprofitable odds to chase a gutshot.

You are probably beaten, but no way am I folding the river getting 13:1 odds. It's ok to payoff in big pots.