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25NL: QQ 3bet preflop 2 callers
This is maybe my 3rd hand at the table no reads.
If someone has AA or KK they are going to 4 bet don't you think? Is the preflop raise to 6 good here? How is the flop push? Am I over palying QQ here? Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) UTG ($17.75) MP ($21.35) Hero ($25) SB ($90.60) BB ($40) Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $0.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $1.85</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $6</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls $5.50, MP calls $4.15. Flop: ($18.35) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $15.35 (All-In)</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $19 (All-In)</font>, UTG calls $11.75 (All-In). Turn: ($60.80) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 3 all-in)</font> River: ($60.80) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 3 all-in)</font> Final Pot: $60.80 <font color="#009B00">Main Pot: $53.60, between UTG, MP and Hero.</font> <font color="#009B00">Pot 2: $7.20, between MP and Hero.</font> <font color="#009B00">Pot 3: $3.65, returned to Hero.</font> |
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Re: 25NL: QQ 3bet preflop 2 callers
looks fine.
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Re: 25NL: QQ 3bet preflop 2 callers
I don't like this hand. I don't like 4 betting QQ; and I wouldn't do it vs a UTG raiser and a MP reraiser esp w/o reads. I'd call the RR and if UTG came over the top, I'd probably fold.
People often do not 5bet AI w/ AA/KK pf. Sometimes KK waits until there is no A on the flop; sometimes they wait for an undercard flop and CRAI. And sometimes they do shove AI pf. EDIT: I looked at the hand again and I don't hate it as much now. Neither villain has a full buyin and UTG minraised. After they both call and undercards flop; you are pretty much committed to going with the hand. Nevertheless, in general I stick to my comments. |
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Re: 25NL: QQ 3bet preflop 2 callers
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I don't like 4 betting QQ; [/ QUOTE ] really? |
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Re: 25NL: QQ 3bet preflop 2 callers
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[ QUOTE ] I don't like 4 betting QQ; [/ QUOTE ] really? [/ QUOTE ] 4 betting QQ against 2 unknowns is generally a BIG mistake at these stakes...A normal 4 bet would committ us to call a shove and generally speaking(ie..no reads) the only hands that either call our 4 bet or shove have our QQ crushed..This hand is a little different given that UTG only min raised |
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Re: 25NL: QQ 3bet preflop 2 callers
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This hand is a little different given that UTG only min raised [/ QUOTE ] in my mind this is a huge difference; i tend to view our 4bet as a 3bet when the original raise was just a minraise. |
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Re: 25NL: QQ 3bet preflop 2 callers
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[ QUOTE ] This hand is a little different given that UTG only min raised [/ QUOTE ] in my mind this is a huge difference; i tend to view our 4bet as a 3bet when the original raise was just a minraise. [/ QUOTE ] Depending on reads/ranges(which we in this hand have none) this may or may not be true..This is why I said earlier that I want a read before I 4 bet QQ and committ 25% of my stack PF... What ranges are you putting UTG(min raise then call) and MP(3 bet then call)on???? |
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Re: 25NL: QQ 3bet preflop 2 callers
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I don't like this hand. I don't like 4 betting QQ; and I wouldn't do it vs a UTG raiser and a MP reraiser esp w/o reads. I'd call the RR and if UTG came over the top, I'd probably fold. People often do not 5bet AI w/ AA/KK pf. Sometimes KK waits until there is no A on the flop; sometimes they wait for an undercard flop and CRAI. And sometimes they do shove AI pf. EDIT: I looked at the hand again and I don't hate it as much now. Neither villain has a full buyin and UTG minraised. After they both call and undercards flop; you are pretty much committed to going with the hand. Nevertheless, in general I stick to my comments. [/ QUOTE ] I agree... Only problem is the UTG's min raise..Usually I do not count a min raise as a raise..But with QQ I would want a read on UTG's min raise and MPs range(LAG or TAG) before 4 betting w/QQ... Either way ALL the money is going in on an all under flop like this.. |
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Re: 25NL: QQ 3bet preflop 2 callers
Tricky spot I think, but I like it. Just calling could get you in trouble if UTG re-raises. With the re-raise and the two cold calls, this looks like AK, AQs, JJ, QQ and maybe TT if the player(s) are weak. I'm not really ever worried about AA/KK here readless, and with your raise price, if they hit a set on the flop, well, you know you did your work pre-flop.
As long as you are willing to fold to another raise from either player pre-flop, I think this raise is OK from time to time in this specific situation. Cold calling in this situation pretty much turns your hand face up, IMO, to a thinking opponent; that being said, I wouldn't get into the habit of 4-betting QQ. As played I have no prob re-raising all in. I think you will see JJ here a lot, as well as AK, with a rare QQ/TT showing. You will still see the ocassional 22/44/55 as well, and maybe some random mid pair depending on the player. |
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Re: 25NL: QQ 3bet preflop 2 callers
If someone had come over the top preflop i could have easily gotten away from this. Since neither did and the flop was so low i found it hard to believe that i didn't have the best hand.
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