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Old 07-19-2007, 08:59 PM
crunny crunny is offline
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Default 100nl: AK, oop, I want to cry.

villain is pretty new to the table. Hes running at 25/15 after 30 hands. No post-flop reads unfortunately.



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Hero (SB): $98.00
BB: $39.00
UTG: $54.85
UTG+1: $108.50
MP1: $148.55
MP2: $107.55
MP3: $126.15
CO: $18.00
BTN: $171.70

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (9 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">MP1 raises to $3.00</font>, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $3.00, 2 folds, Hero calls $2.50, BB calls $2.00

<font color="blue"> I hate 3 betting oop with drawing hands so calling is my standard play here. </font>

Flop: ($12) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $9.00</font>, BB folds, MP1 calls $9.00, MP3 folds

<font color="blue"> I lead into this drawy flop because i dont want it to get checked though </font>

Turn: ($30) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $20.00</font>, MP1 calls $20.00

<font color="blue"> My reasons for betting are the same as those for the flop </font>

River: ($70) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">MP1 bets all-in for $116.55</font>, hero starts crying.

<font color="blue"> Ok leading sucks because everything i beat folds, so i check, villain pushes and I'm getting around 2:1. 55,JJ, KK, KJ is what I'm most afraid of. I have no clue if villain is the type to slowplay these hands. On the other hand a billion draws just missed and villain could be bluffing. </font>

Thoughts on play up till river?
call or fold river?
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Old 07-19-2007, 09:51 PM
Ryanj37 Ryanj37 is offline
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Default Re: 100nl: AK, oop, I want to cry.

I reraise preflop for staters as i definetly don't want to be playing a 3-way, 4-way pot with AK oop. As played river is difficult but I probably call, JJ,KK,AA,55,JK surely would have put in a raise somewhere and as you said a whole ton of draws just missed.
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Old 07-19-2007, 10:02 PM
bkar824 bkar824 is offline
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Default Re: 100nl: AK, oop, I want to cry.

As played:
On the river I would:
Block bet. Block bet. Block bet. 1/2 pot. 1/2 pot. 1/2 pot. Fold to push. Fold to push. Fold to push.

I would definitely reraise PF. Get it down to 2 handed. AK sucks in multiway pots OOP.

As played, fold readless here on the river. You don't want to go stacking off with a pair.
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Old 07-20-2007, 12:44 PM
SABR42 SABR42 is offline
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Default Re: 100nl: AK, oop, I want to cry.

[ QUOTE ]
As played:
On the river I would:
Block bet. Block bet. Block bet. 1/2 pot. 1/2 pot. 1/2 pot. Fold to push. Fold to push. Fold to push.

I would definitely reraise PF. Get it down to 2 handed. AK sucks in multiway pots OOP.

As played, fold readless here on the river. You don't want to go stacking off with a pair.

[/ QUOTE ]
I believe the bolded parts are terrible advice.
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Old 07-20-2007, 01:44 PM
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Default Re: 100nl: AK, oop, I want to cry.

threebet this preflop one hundred million percent

call river
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Old 07-20-2007, 02:06 PM
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Default Re: 100nl: AK, oop, I want to cry.

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threebet this preflop one hundred million percent

call river

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why call? for the chop? what do you beat that is playing this way.

is he such a donkey that he won't take the lead with his draws and will c/c c/c hugely bluff river with a draw?

that means that he's seen you enough that he knows you can fold TP.

i dunno, very difficult spot. if i call i wouldn't like it.
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Old 07-19-2007, 10:21 PM
leatangclan leatangclan is offline
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Default Re: 100nl: AK, oop, I want to cry.

You are dead on with all the missed draws, and villan's line seems to suggest that. And his all in smells like a miss draw bluff.

On the other hand, I pushed ai with a nut flush to entice villan into thinking I was bluffing. He bit and I took down the pot. So he can be doing the same here. The bottom line is you have no history on villan, so I would fold here.
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Old 07-19-2007, 11:30 PM
mce86 mce86 is offline
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Default Re: 100nl: AK, oop, I want to cry.

I think against a 25/15 you should def. 3-bet here first off.
Why did you lead out though? We expect him to bet...a check raise is def. in order.
I dont see anything wrong with the play, the river bet is suprising, but its what we expect to see happen. Its a tough spot...I think a call is in order...ahead of KQ, AJ, missed draw...The others I think would look to get a bit more value out of.
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Old 07-19-2007, 11:55 PM
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Default Re: 100nl: AK, oop, I want to cry.

hmmm I def. don't think KQ or AJ pushes AI on river......
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Old 07-20-2007, 04:13 AM
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Default Re: 100nl: AK, oop, I want to cry.


looks like a call to me, 55,KK,JJ, KJ, etc. probably raise on the flop or at least the turn. I would expect to see something like AQss, JQss, JTss, or some other random combo draw here a lot of the time.
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